International Trade committee  Yes, I am.

International Trade committee  I think we have a tremendous opportunity as a nation to demonstrate real leadership on this important front of human rights and trade. It's not that we, as a nation, want to or should in any way turn away from trade. But we should absolutely be turning away to trade that does the

International Trade committee  If the rules-based system means there's going to be increased, and perhaps even dramatically increased, interest in the lands of that poor indigenous woman, for instance, because it's considered to be rich in mineral wealth, then recycled paramilitary groups or FARC guerrilla gro

International Trade committee  As a broad general comment, but if you're being chased and threatened and not allowed to live in your lands, then you don't have the benefit--

International Trade committee  We highlight that all the time. We're not economists, so we don't have the expertise that gets into those kinds of numbers, but we have always highlighted that good trade, responsible trade, can be good for human rights. Bad trade, irresponsible trade, or trade that is simply bli

International Trade committee  Absolutely. The work that the United Nations has done in Colombia for many years is reputable and it's important. One thing that is positive in Colombia is that the Colombian government has agreed to have that presence in the country for so many years.

International Trade committee  Are you referring to Louise Arbour when you say the former High Commissioner--

International Trade committee  I'd be very curious to know the wider context in which that statement was made.

International Trade committee  Yes, generally.

International Trade committee  I don't know that much about them. I've heard of them. I would have expert colleagues within Amnesty who could offer a view on that, if that's something you would like to know Amnesty's views on.

International Trade committee  Those parties are not the ones who conduct the impact assessment. They're the ones who provide input into it. The impact assessment itself would be overseen and conducted by independent experts. An academic setting is one place to look. Trade unions, industry associations, Colomb

International Trade committee  The academy is one place to look. There may well be others who would have the independence and expertise that all concerned would find acceptable.

International Trade committee  In our view, it would be advisable to ensure that there's an ongoing human rights evaluation. You have the impact assessment at the outset. You highlight the concerns and address them. But that doesn't mean we're home free. It will be important for there to be regular and ongoing

International Trade committee  There's so much in your comments. There are a couple of things I want to clarify. The first is that I want to make it absolutely clear that we've never said not to trade with Colombia. We've never said isolate Colombia.

International Trade committee  We have always said, whether it is in the context of the ongoing trade relationship or any proposed change of that trading relationship, get clear about the human rights impact and make sure those are fully understood and addressed before we deepen that trading relationship. That