Industry committee  Yes. There's no money at all for the indirect costs of Genome Canada; they're not covered by the program. CFI is not covered by the program. None of the disease clubs, the charities, are covered by the program. Only NCE is. I don't even know if CECR is. Does anybody know? We ha

Industry committee  I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean the ratio of the indirect costs to direct costs?

Industry committee  We would like to see it to go to 40%. Right now it's in the order of 25%, depending on the institution.

Industry committee  I would like it looked at in a more realistic way. It isn't that suddenly the genome research is free. It still hurts, and it's a federally funded process. Why not be consistent? That's my concern.

Industry committee  Well, there are two elements. One is that if you increase it for the councils, you should at least increase the indirect costs to cover that increment. At the 25% level, that's an easy bit of math. The other piece is that the real costs to us are between 40% and 50%. The univers

Industry committee  Well, the answer is yes, you do and you should. Did you go to Nordion at the TRIUMF site?

Industry committee  I understand that. I'm on the TRIUMF board, and I go to these meetings and come out after meeting atomic physicists and.... A lot of people at TRIUMF, as you said, are fundamental physicists at the very basic level. These are the guys who gave us the atomic bomb. They've done a

Industry committee  If you look at NSERC, for instance, they have committees in different areas, and some of those areas are clearly very basic--math, atomic physics, and that sort of thing. In the applied sciences and the health sciences, the allied health sciences, there's a lot of weight given to

Industry committee  I'll ask Angus to speak to that in a moment, but I would say a word about the CECR program. That was an attempt by the federal government to do exactly what you said. I think it will have been largely successful if it continues in the vein it's been in. We took advantage of it q

Industry committee  It wasn't at the beginning for Galvanox. That was a math exercise—but Angus was involved in the licensing, so....

Industry committee  I'll let Mr. Livingstone answer that.

Industry committee  It's simply the number of dollars and the number of good students—both. We need to be able to attract international students, as was pointed out by one of my partners here. We don't have enough students coming through the system at the very highest level. We look abroad a lot to

Industry committee  Thank you very much for inviting us, committee members. UBC is a leading Canadian research university, routinely placing among the top two or three university recipients for the CFI and tri-council funding. Internationally, UBC is ranked in the top 40 research universities worl