Industry committee  Well, not necessarily that specific process, but the product it was aimed at needs to be produced. We do need a strategy in the mechanism.

Industry committee  Either it or the Council of Canadian Academies could look at the situation of Canada's participation in big, and international, science.

Industry committee  I was talking about the office of the national science advisor, who was supposed to come up with a strategy for Editorial Note: inaudible big science. But he did not do so and the office is now closed. Now the job must be given to someone else.

Industry committee  We think they're very important, and we think the government has to subsidize them. They're not money-making things, although TRIUMF, for example, has commercial spinoffs and generates some money, and so does Atomic Energy of Canada through the sale of radio isotopes, and so on.

Industry committee  I think you need both. I think there are certain things that have to be done in-house, but most government research—all of it, in fact, that I'm familiar with—is done in partnership with universities and with institutes outside. Work can be done in collaboration in joint projects

Industry committee  There are a number of aspects to coordinating research. There can be too much coordination just as there can be too little. The assistant deputy ministers with responsibility for science could discuss these matters and coordinate their efforts. But when it comes to Canada's parti

Industry committee  Oh, I'm sorry.

Industry committee  I won't repeat the four recommendations. They are in the brief. I'll just move on to elaborate briefly on the first of those. PGSE is impressed that the government has recently moved to streamline its external advisory system by replacing a number of bodies with the new Science

Industry committee  Yes, I was going to mention that. I'd like to thank the committee for the chance to appear before you. We did submit a brief earlier, and I hope you have all had a chance to look at it. The Partnership Group for Science and Engineering is an umbrella group for an association