Finance committee  It would have to—

Finance committee  In the past, we have brought forward a specific recommendation on a tax credit. It's not for the industry I represent. It's for the fleets. It's for the end-user to help lower that upfront risk of buying the technology. This is not a retrofit technology. It is a buy-new technolog

Finance committee  We're really looking for a discussion behind closed doors on what is the best approach for us and what is the most palatable approach for the government. We certainly know that a program option is one way to go with this. The goal here is to look at the end-user and what's going

Finance committee  Absolutely, and we've seen that already. We know that with the larger, one-off users, like Vedder in B.C. or Robert in Quebec, at the right scale—physically, the scale is about 20 trucks—the all-in cost, including the station, is lower than for diesel. We know that now. The chall

Finance committee  In Europe, yes, and in Canada, not yet, but we have the first coach-bus manufacturer, MCI, in Winnipeg now offering it. It's probably a matter of time, particularly with the U.S. market growth.

Finance committee  Okay.

Finance committee  Okay. We see the infrastructure where the industry is focused on two levels. One is bringing the fuel to the vehicle. The best way to do that is to graft it onto the existing services. That's exactly what Shell will do in Alberta. At their Flying J stations, there will be the die

Finance committee  The other aspect, though, is the bigger investment in actually producing the fuel. While Canada has a very extensive natural gas distribution infrastructure pipe network in the ground, we don't have a lot of liquefaction plants. That's a gap area. That's why we really see the win

Finance committee  At the local level for sure—yes.

Finance committee  That's right.

Finance committee  Yes, that's probably Prévost, which I think is a division of Daimler.

Finance committee  Right now in Canada we have New Flyer in Winnipeg, of course, Motor Coach Industries, and Nova Bus in Quebec. Of those three, two already offer a natural gas product. For New Flyer, that is a quarter of their sales to the U.S., so it is substantial. Now, in Canada it has been to

Finance committee  That said, we have the early adopters in our midst, and some of those same people are still working in transit. What we really have to see in transit in Canada to pull that demand is, first, a transit move, and we think Calgary will be the one there. That said, even with Calgary

Finance committee  It's a good question, because obviously these are commodities that are subject to market factors, right? That said, across North America, a lot of the drilling rigs are being laid down because they can't get enough money for their product. They would love to have that dilemma of

Finance committee  For the commodity itself, yes, it is.