Finance committee  I don't have that number. It's very difficult. But what I can tell you is that this was a joint forces operation. If you were following the newspaper yesterday, the RCMP detonated a bomb to show you the impact that this would have had. That was a joint forces operation with Peel, Toronto, OPP, RCMP, and a lot of other municipal services.

Finance committee  Absolutely. So on national costs, the only one that would have been through the federal government is the RCMP. The rest would have been provincial, through the municipal governments.

Finance committee  Training is provincial. In the province of Ontario training is funded by the provincial government and it is subsidized that way. Also, any new applicant who applies to policing, who gets hired, actually has to pay tuition to the Province of Ontario. Each province does do it differently.

Finance committee  Prior to taking this job I was actually at the police college in Toronto as a supervisor, so I can speak first-hand. It was difficult because we were going to the maximum, and every police service in Ontario continues to hire people. The difficulty is that the pool is getting smaller and smaller.

Finance committee  Yes, the original agreement was for brand new front-line police officers, not to supplement anybody who's retired but to actually increase the number. The Minister of Community Safety in the Province of Ontario, along with the different associations, came up with a formula, and that formula spoke to--

Finance committee  In other provinces they used it for crime prevention initiatives.

Finance committee  Well, what happened was that the money from the federal government went to the provinces and there were really no stipulated rules to each province to say, this is a done deal, you must do it. The Province of Ontario took the lead and did follow the guidelines.

Finance committee  The Province of Ontario is the only province in Canada that has actually utilized the funds for what they were intended. All the other provinces utilized those funds for enhancement of different crime prevention initiatives, and some joint forces operations; but the Province of Ontario actually used it for brand new front-line police officers.

Finance committee  It was in 2006.

Finance committee  That's correct.

Finance committee  That's the very issue we have concerns with. That's why a lot of the municipalities didn't take advantage of this program. As for the ones that did take advantage of the program, after five years there is no more funding, so it will have to be funded by municipal coffers.

Finance committee  Well, $400 million was given from the federal government. For 2,500 officers, we add that up to be $250 million per year, but only $400 million was given for all of Canada.

Finance committee  It's over five years.

Finance committee  We would need $250 million a year.

Finance committee  That's correct.