Procedure and House Affairs committee  I don't think the challenge would be the preferential balloting. It would be educating the people on the various choices. On mixed-member proportional, we tried to do our education at a grade 6 level. But as soon as you throw mixed-member proportional in, you are up around grade

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you. I appreciate that more than you know.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I guess I see it through a different light. I wouldn't have to; you would have to. And you would have to apportion it by the percentage of time spent on that. If it cost you $100 to make the trip and you spent 10% of your time actually speaking with regard to the referendum, you'

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I do. I see it very factually.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, I have.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That's an interesting question. Let me share a little bit of history with you. I started in Elections in 1972. I've always run off a list. I did some enumerations. I think there was a reality. The numbers in Ontario were very clear. When you went door to door, knocking on people

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sorry for using up your time.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It wasn't a decline. The rules were very clear.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  They could put it in their platform, and there was what looked like a hush order. It was interesting. I always figured that it was—and this was merely my observation—that the referendum was judging the business they're in, so it was a question whether it was a conflict for them

Procedure and House Affairs committee  How does it flow? People only have so many dollars to give. I wonder where it will go. Will it go to the parties?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If you run a national election, you're not going to ask the provinces to run it for you. If you run a national referendum, I don't know why you would either. It's not that I agree with the delivery model. I quite disagree. We have three agencies serving every voter. That is tripl

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm going to make a bit of a leap here. I think we didn't have financial controls, because inherently there were financial controls.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  In the planning of the way our referendum went with an election, the finances were going to the parties. There wasn't much obviously going over to the campaigns. If there was no political entity at work and it was just a referendum, I think you might need controls on those dollar

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I don't think they showed up to vote for the referendum. They showed up to vote for the candidate. It's as simple as that. You are running two events. You have some there for one and some for the other. We were lucky; we had a lot there for both.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  In the Ontario election, everybody who was qualified to receive a regular ballot also received a referendum ballot. There was no differentiation whatsoever. So inmates who would vote normally would also get the second ballot. However, I should explain that in Ontario inmates vote