Government Operations committee  We don't have that.

Government Operations committee  Well, that's what we discussed in camera.

Government Operations committee  Well, this is, I suppose, a bit of a philosophical discussion about the value of outsourcing. We do—

Government Operations committee  As I mentioned earlier, we actually have about 1,100 people. In fact, Martin was one of the 470 people who were laid off. He is working in this contract 10 years later and is now the general manager of our contract. That seems to me to be quite a success story. For me, the answer is that we operate more than 100 million square feet of space across Canada.

Government Operations committee  It really comes back to that discussion we had in camera.

Government Operations committee  That would be about 50%.

Government Operations committee  We pay the utility bill, and we talked about our fee on that.

Government Operations committee  For the total value of the contract as per the Treasury Board submission at that time, I'm actually not even sure what the number was, Mr. Martin. My guess is that it would be something like $5 billion to allow the headroom for the full 10 years.

Government Operations committee  I'll let Martin go through some details, but really what we're trying to do is test on an ongoing basis how we are carrying out work. We have to test a number of things. These aren't just financial audits. They are health and safety audits, which are extremely important to us. We need to be able to keep our people, our subcontractors, our building occupants, and everyone who uses the building safe, so that is an area of audit.

Government Operations committee  It really is face value. It's exactly what I talked about to this committee. That's what is in it. We have the validation of what's in there. We think those are reasonable costs, given the complexity of the installations. There is really nothing to hide on them.

Government Operations committee  Yes, it really is not... And maybe just to clarify, we have a significant maintenance component within our team. We are, I think, the largest employer of building maintainers, electricians, and operators in Canada. We have 1,100 people working on this contract, so it's a significant piece of work.

Government Operations committee  Absolutely, yes.

Government Operations committee  Correct.

Government Operations committee  I'm not sure. You might be?

Government Operations committee  I suppose that would be me. The one thing maybe I should point out is that we are extensively audited, not only internally by the quality control group that I have reporting to me, but our parent company, SNC-Lavalin, also has a series of audit groups, both internally and externally, that audit us.