Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  That would be one measure of inequity that's gone up; although I didn't trace the history of what's gone on in Brazil, I suspect it has, based on Lula's policies. Right now the country that occupies the highest Gini coefficient in South America, and I believe in Latin America, i

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  That's right.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Right. I think Canada ranks somewhere around 42 or 43.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  You can look up in larger reports the percentages that have changed from one year to the next--the percentage of literacy, say, or Gini coefficients, and so forth.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Thank you so much. It's an honour to be here. Thank you for having me.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No. I think your assessment is imbalanced, and I think that's part of the problem with Canadian foreign policy right now. Everything I heard you say was a composite of what's wrong with Venezuela. And it is; all those things you mentioned are true. But I didn't hear you mention a

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Sure. I think it's important that we criticize the negative aspects of Venezuelan human rights. At the same time, I think we would have far more influence if we went in and said something like this: We very much respect the positive things you've done. We very much respect the re

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  For 2009.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I don't, but you could easily look them up.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  One of the ways you measure inequity--it's probably the way most economists measure inequity--is with the Gini coefficient. The higher the Gini coefficient is, the worse the inequity is. Brazil used to occupy that position, as recently as 2005, I believe. With the policies of Lul

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No, I think it's important to uphold free speech and to criticize breaches of free speech. I think we see a nuanced situation in which we do have highly placed elements of the TV and radio stations saying things that I would call subversive, or reporters saying highly irresponsib

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  And health care, and redistribution of income: the Gini index.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No, it's also social-based: access to social health care, access to education. The Gini index is a measure of wealth division, not how big the economy is.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes. That's one of the cases we just discussed.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Involved in what?