Foreign Affairs committee  I'll take the last two questions first, if that's okay with you, Mr. Chair. On the issue of rule of law, you made a comment about legal aid and access to justice in this country and the funding being cut. You may be aware that the Canadian Bar Association is suing the federal go

Foreign Affairs committee  I would simply say, to add to that, what we find when we're working in these countries is that they want to engage with the bar association and other NGOs that are not connected to government because they feel more comfortable in that they're not being pushed into a position. And

Foreign Affairs committee  If I could add, Mr. Chair, I think our experience has shown that if you want to have development be robust in developing countries, if you do not have that underlying good governance, of which the key portion is rule of law, so that when you're doing the work, when you want thing

Foreign Affairs committee  If I could just add to that, Mr. Chair, I've been ten years as COO of the Canadian Bar Association. I went to China just when we were sort of getting started on our China project. For the All China Lawyers' Association in those first years to actually bring forward recommendation

Foreign Affairs committee  May I add to that, Monsieur Patry?

Foreign Affairs committee  Our experience tells us that this has to be a collective endeavour, working with law societies or bar associations, where the lawyers are engaged with the disadvantaged and have it all come together. In Mr. Goodridge's example, we've seen our success in east Africa and China. I