Government Operations committee  I met him in order to try to do business with him before that, when he was in the real estate sector and I was vice-president... No, it was before that. At that time, I was director of development at the Permanent.

Government Operations committee  I go there regularly.

Government Operations committee  Yes, yes, I met Hubert Pichet in the 1980s.

Government Operations committee  Pardon me?

Government Operations committee  That's a good question. He is a lawyer by training. I wonder what law firm he was working with at the time. I don't remember.

Government Operations committee  I too would like to thank you for having us here this morning. It was a pleasure to come and meet you.

Government Operations committee  With regard to the Nationair file—I vaguely remember that—that was about a strike during which Mr. Obadia consulted me at the outset on labour relations. I also remember speaking to I don't know whom, but to someone at Mr. Corbeil's office at the time so that he could meet Mr. Ob

Government Operations committee  No, look—

Government Operations committee  At the time, I never considered that as lobbying, on the one hand. On the other hand, I was never sworn, and I never received a notice from the lobbying commissioner or anybody chastising me or criticizing me in that respect.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  Gilles Prud'Homme was or is... I didn't know him. I met him two or three times. He was president of the Bourassa Conservative Party association.

Government Operations committee  Yes, and the same is true of the Liberal Party.

Government Operations committee  Not necessarily. I've always had good relations with all those who were there.

Government Operations committee  Oh, I understand. I'm a supporter... I'm a Progressive-Conservative.

Government Operations committee  Why did he organize the cocktail party? I don't know. You'll have to ask him. I don't know.