Human Resources committee  Those do become more costly. The pension contribution is probably the largest single cost of these employee fringe benefits, and that actually has a declining cost for pilots who are allowed to, and choose to, work longer. I don't know whether it's a wash overall, but, yes—

Human Resources committee  Not New Brunswick specifically, but I do know this has arisen in Canada. In my own province, British Columbia, it is allowable for the employer to differentiate at age 65 and beyond in some of these fringe benefits. I think which ones may be actually listed in the legislation.

Human Resources committee  Overall, I think it is reasonable. It's arguable, but I think it is reasonable.

Human Resources committee  No, not presently. This was a case that ended in the previous...actually, it was in 2009, not 2010.

Human Resources committee  I think we have a significant, but obviously still limited, ability to get more years out of people who wish to work more years. Yes, I mean, that certainly is an important reason, one among many, on the economic side for removing the constraint of mandatory retirement.

Human Resources committee  I was hired by the Fly Past 60 Coalition to undertake analysis and provide expert witness testimony in some of their previous proceedings, and the area of pensions is very interesting. Actually, by and large, Air Canada saves money by allowing pilots who wish to, to work beyond 6

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Human Resources committee  Briefly, this would depend very much on the type of industry. The most studied industry in the U.S. is higher education and professors, who, because of the enjoyment of the work and the great working conditions, and so on, often will work into their late 60s and into their 70s.

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Human Resources committee  This morning I'd like to present key points on mandatory retirement from an economic rather than a human rights perspective. Fortunately, the economic perspective concludes in a way that is fully consistent with the human rights perspective. I'll approach this matter by describin