Status of Women committee  The organization serves 30,000 clients.

Status of Women committee  Yes.

Status of Women committee  They are not necessarily new.

Status of Women committee  Yes, or 10 to 12 times....

Status of Women committee  I can't tell you that. I can only tell you how many new people the counselling program helps per year.

Status of Women committee  That's about 500.

Status of Women committee  Ninety-five percent of our clients cannot pay, so 5% or less.

Status of Women committee  Yes, it's 5% or less.

Status of Women committee  Can I tell you, and let's not go into the details of the—

Status of Women committee  I'll tell you about Ontario.

Status of Women committee  I agree, absolutely.

Status of Women committee  Counselling is considered health in Ontario, and that's provincial.

Status of Women committee  No, no....

Status of Women committee  Yes, that's a master's in counselling. She's a certified clinical counsellor.

Status of Women committee  OCISO does, but the counselling program doesn't.