Transport committee  PCL, for example, provides unionized commercial institutional work across the country. I think it's the seventh-biggest contractor in the country. It does all its work with the building trades in Ontario and does its industrial work with the building trades in the west, with the

Transport committee  No. If you were to look at where to get the answer from those folks, consider Ron Martin from CLR in Ontario and Pat Dillon from the Ontario Building Trades.

Transport committee  Whether it's with federal dollars, or with provincial dollars, or with municipal dollars only, there are very few places in this country where there are union-only provisions. In some project labour agreements, yes—

Transport committee  My concern? I guess my concern is twofold. Every witness you've had here, with the possible exception of me, comes from the open shop and has something to gain. The concern, I suppose, is this. If the federal government is going to tie to its support of infrastructure projects a

Transport committee  Who did you ask that question of, please?

Transport committee  If the Government of Canada were to say to Hamilton, we will not fund your infrastructure because some of your employees certified with the carpenters union and got a collective agreement as a result, I would say that would be grossly inappropriate.

Transport committee  Oh, no. A significant number of excellent contractors are non-union, or are in alternate unions. Union contractors aren't the only ones who can do the job right.

Transport committee  I'll answer your negative with a negative. They're not unqualified. Union, non-union, alternate union, contractors do great jobs.

Transport committee  There are some union, some non-union, and some alternate union contractors whom I wouldn't let in my yard to sweep up.

Transport committee  Like everybody else, 2% are bad.

Transport committee  Mr. Chair, just before Mr. Aubin asks his question, may I—

Transport committee  All right.

Transport committee  Thank you.

Transport committee  Well, I do, in fact. You know, the closed bidding process sometimes is used by an owner to facilitate other goals that the entity is going to have: to secure a workforce, to make certain there is training, and to make certain that the work is executed safely. The piledriver con

Transport committee  A whole bunch of tender evaluation systems actually have those sorts of things built into them. If you're building 100 kilometres of road, 40 kilometres a season, you bid the entire road so they can stockpile the material, and they'll have the workforce and the equipment. You can