Finance committee  Okay.

Finance committee  There actually are not, in the sense—

Finance committee  —that they're all very manageable—

Finance committee  If I might...? Because I am a supervisor in my other life with the Canada Revenue Agency, I actually do manage the sick leave of the staff that I supervise. What we have is that if somebody is away sick, they call in to me. I make sure they're well enough to come to back to work.

Finance committee  Okay.

Finance committee  The current system works well for the employees of Treasury Board, who are hard-working Canadians, and certainly, if we were to identify a flaw—

Finance committee  —we would negotiate.

Finance committee  I can't answer that.

Finance committee  It does exist in many places, sir.

Finance committee  Well, it does exist in unionized places, with CUPE, for example, in municipalities.

Finance committee  Yes, I'll start, and thank you very much for the question. The $900 million is actually a paper exercise and not real money, so we have a concern about that. We are concerned that the government is telling taxpayers that there is this huge liability and that it's on the backs o

Finance committee  The PSAC alone has about 145,000 members. So 150,000, yes.

Finance committee  —so we could get you the percentage, but I think what we really want to discuss here is the merit of division 20, which is the charter right. It takes away our right under the rights and freedoms—

Finance committee  I realize that, but I would just like to take it to that direction.

Finance committee  Thank you very much for the question. If I might, I will add, just to address Mr. Lee, that we do a bargaining input process. We contact all our members to see what it is that they want us to bring to the table. Not one of them, regardless of age, raised the issue of sick leave