Government Operations committee  They're coming, yes.

Government Operations committee  I'm not sure where you get the five years from. That may have been from the LEED EBOM program, under which you must recertify every year, because EBOM is about ongoing operations and maintenance. I agree with Thomas' comments about the rigour of LEED. That's its hallmark. That'

Government Operations committee  That's a very good question. As we indicated, we were obviously trying to make a very energy-efficient building, but it was also a green building, and green incorporates many more things. Thomas alluded to those in terms of good day lighting, good indoor air quality, and so on. O

Government Operations committee  You are already getting a lot of the data from utility bills. The gas company and the electricity company are already monitoring the building for you. We think there is value in putting additional meters in the building. When you have one electric meter on the building and then a

Government Operations committee  As David said earlier, I think the best thing you can do is go right across your portfolio of buildings, get the energy numbers for all of them, and compare them. The key person to share it with is the operator of the building. They are the ones who are directly involved, so it's

Government Operations committee  I guess I would just add to that. Perhaps the reason we didn't focus on that side of it is, I think we all feel the economics are there; it's a slam dunk. The problem is one of motivation. Everyone is busy and there are many things to do, but somehow we have to move this energy e

Government Operations committee  That would be a very good way of saying it, yes.

Government Operations committee  Yes. Truth be told, yes, we did some of the engineering on it, but the engineering fees on the construction of a building are in the order of a few per cent.

Government Operations committee  It's not significant. It's the construction that's the big cost.

Government Operations committee  Yes, there would be a little bit extra.

Government Operations committee  It's a very good question. It's a very politically charged question because you're dealing with different regions within the country. My view is that when we look at issues of energy use and climate change and these sorts of things, they go beyond provincial and national boundar

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Yes, that's all-in—site development costs, architects' fees; everything.

Government Operations committee  Listening to the last bit of conversation, one of the great eye-openers for me—and again I mention my handicap of having a technical background—was that I came into this thinking that we'll make buildings more energy efficient. We'll do it for essentially the financial return, an

Government Operations committee  As said in my presentation, there is the LEED EBOM—that is, LEED for existing buildings—which I think covers what you're talking about. The LEED EBOM mandates that you be essentially in the top 30% of energy-performing buildings. I think that's a very easy implementation step,