Veterans Affairs committee  In order for the lump-sum payout to match what's in the pension, I'd need to invest $1.4 million today to get the same payout that the pension would give me.

Veterans Affairs committee  We haven't fully costed out all the recommendations, because as we know, the charter is a very complex piece of legislation with a lot of moving parts in there and not well known by a lot. I'll give you a couple of examples of what we have looked at. We talked about ELB, moving

Veterans Affairs committee  We can look into the math. This is simply getting it from the DPR of the department and doing that math for you. We can get back to you with the answer, if you'd like.

Veterans Affairs committee  Yes.