Government Operations committee  Mr. Aylward, last week I was commenting with members about finding somebody that supported red tape. I was having problems trying to think of anyone, because everybody seems to hate red tape, but I've listened to your briefing and you seem to like red tape. You tie in regulations

Government Operations committee  Okay. Ms. Jones, red tape is a fluffy term that everyone has opinions on. When you're dealing with red tape, how do you know you have red tape or not?

Government Operations committee  Ms. Coombs, I heard in your briefing something about applying American-type regulations in the future and that you wouldn't have to use the one-for-one rule. Does that mean you can just toss this aside?

Government Operations committee  But it is an administrative burden, isn't it? Your people have to do this. You actually had to change labels and everything else.

Government Operations committee  Yes. I think Mr. Martin's discussion about the theories of ministers, etc., and the status of Parliament is more for an in camera session. It has nothing to do with these people who are here to answer questions about estimates, and I recommend that he get back on his topic.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Thank you. I think I have a question in for property. What's the current situation with respect to DND's acquisition of property in Nepean? Where is it? I started it seven years ago and I'm still waiting to see somebody walk through the door.

Government Operations committee  My next question is on the same area. You have leased buildings and you have owned buildings. How do you determine whether you're going to buy a building, or lease a building, and the shares, etc.? What are the calculations that you do?

Government Operations committee  Mr. Lakroni, I have a question about the estimates before I go on to other things. In your experience how does a minister get involved with estimates, at what stages, or do they attend all estimates? What's the typical actions of a minister with respect to estimates?

Government Operations committee  Mr. Clement, you keep talking about reducing red tape and when you look at history, the Romans probably had red tape. We all have different ideas of what red tape is. What is red tape?

Government Operations committee  We also talk in this bill about one-for-one, that if you want to add something, you have to take something out. Do you envisage any situation where a department or an agency can get to the point where they can't do that, where they are tight, and they want to add a regulation,

Government Operations committee  In this theoretical position, would you then give that department authority to break the rule and add a position without taking one away?

Government Operations committee  I'll ask you another question then. You've touted the fact that we've saved, I forget what it was, two hundred and something—

Government Operations committee  The question is related to one I just heard. I don't know how big that is against all the regulations. I don't know if that means something, whether it's 1%, 10%, 20%, or whether it's great success or little success, because I have no relationship against which to compare it.

Government Operations committee  It was the same point of order. Enough's enough. Mr. Martin has already been warned twice. He doesn't need to be warned three times.