Industry committee  You're welcome.

Industry committee  Tie it to the market, yes.

Industry committee  I'll just say about that last one, tie it to the market; tie it, if possible, to venture capital.

Industry committee  I'll talk about digital natives first of all. I'm a digital native. What does that mean? It means that when I went to the University of Winnipeg many years ago, 1994-95, and the University of Manitoba, and said I wanted to learn about this thing called the Internet, there were

Industry committee  I think you can do it over about a year and a half. If you did it full time, it would take you about a year to do, I believe. It includes about 10 courses. We hire people to deliver them. I don't have time anymore, but last year I delivered the introductory course. This all ties

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  It's a good question. To create a sustainable model for education, I believe, is the correct path. I've been doing this for eight years. The Canadian Space Agency's first contract with Project Whitecard was six years ago. You can't just throw money at the problem. We need natur

Industry committee  That's right.

Industry committee  You have to be about four times better. I mean, look at something like Minecraft being used for education. That's maybe the best-selling game in the world, and it's used for education.

Industry committee  I'd say that's the key to everything. We wouldn't need tax credits if there were venture capital money. We wouldn't need government funding if there were venture capitalists waiting in the wings to take on investment in Canadian companies, to make Frima 10 times larger, to make P

Industry committee  I'll give you an example, and it speaks to everything across the board, including what Judy talked about. If you go down to Palo Alto, they're creating IT. In Palo Alto there were people from all over the world. I sat in on a pitch session and I pitched as well. Each one of thes

Industry committee  Right.

Industry committee  No. You can point at some studies around the world. There's one in Scotland where they did this specifically with a math game with grade 9 students. The students were failing, and then they weren't failing. They didn't change the passing grade.

Industry committee  Yes, I think the educational model as a whole is undergoing a radical shift. If you want to see some of the cutting-edge work that's being done, the Khan Academy has created a system, whereby through 4,000 to 5,000 different videos and exercises done online at a student's own pac

Industry committee  That's exactly it.