Transport committee  I think we have to look at it as a system. It's not just the car design operation. Other elements come into it. The best way to make a decision is to go based on data, to collect data. A university in the U.S. has collected data over 10 years. I'm not sure if it was Illinois or..

Transport committee  On all tank cars, it doesn't matter, they are collecting it. That's where I got my data. I cannot give you details of it because of confidentiality for that meeting. I'm just letting you know that you can access that data and figure out what the data is. I'm saying that—

Transport committee  Yes. Based on the data, we know where we have to go.

Transport committee  What's the delay in what sense? For NSC delaying it?

Transport committee  Let me elaborate on that one. Let's for a minute forget about the accidents. I'm not saying it's not, I'm saying from an engineering point of view. When you want to make changes you have to have a reason for that. What are the reasons for change, based on our experiences, base

Transport committee  Absolutely.

Transport committee  I told you I'm sitting on the task force for tank cars. This is the U.S. This is about 50 to 60 key people in the industry, as you said, from railroads, shippers, car builders, all different sectors. Transport Canada is there too. It's a part of a collection of all the people t

Transport committee  There is no issue with that.

Transport committee  I don't have exact numbers. What I'm telling you is just based on what I'm thinking because everybody's keeping it to themselves. Our competitors are not going to tell us how much they can build. I'm just going with rough numbers.

Transport committee  I'm not sure I can answer that because most of these companies, like us, are 100% private, so we don't report to anybody and they don't know our market forecast.

Transport committee  I don't know if they—

Transport committee  That's correct.

Transport committee  I'm saying it's not a problem we have to consider; whatever we have is interchangeable between the U.S. and Canada.

Transport committee  I understand, I know that. I'll tell you a story. It's a very good story.

Transport committee  Sure. I want to make it a little interesting, not too technical. When I landed in Canada in 1997, I landed in Montreal. When driving I saw I had to stop at right-hand turns. When I moved to Ontario, the same car, same country, but you can turn right. So with the railcar system,