Transport committee  Just let me make a comment. The issue of crew fatigue in the running trains has been litigated to the extent that we've had arbitrators' awards, including the Canada Industrial Relations Board, issuing cease and desist orders to the company to stop violating those rules. In fact

Transport committee  Make sure they're properly scheduled so that they can have their rest, and it's predictable.

Transport committee  For sure. Actually, it was one of the recommendations out of the Hinton inquiry. Years ago, on the railroad, you used to be scheduled from the home and the away-from-home terminal. It's interesting that it's not there now. You're only scheduled out of the home terminal. It went b

Transport committee  Sure. In the Brown system, the lowest amount of discipline is just a letter of reprimand. The minimum you would normally get would be 10 for a minor infraction—

Transport committee  Sure. I come from a farmer's background, my family. No, that's not what I'm suggesting. What I'm suggesting is that when those trains are moving, those crews are alert, they're not physically fatigued, and whatever stress is put on them outside the issue of just sleep is minimiz

Transport committee  Sure. We'll say, if you're late for work, you'd get 10 demerits or if you're crossing a track and you stepped on a rail.... You're not allowed to step on the rail. In the case of Mr. McDavid, he didn't have his shoelaces tied to the top eyelets. He got 10 demerits for that, so we

Transport committee  If you go for one full year after the incident without any discipline—and you have to be an active employee, so you can't be off on holidays and so forth—you'll lose 20. Every year they'll take 20 back from you.

Transport committee  Sure. Very simply, as we sit here today, the answer is no. We're against that, simply by the history of how the railways are conducting themselves. But who knows how that relationship will develop over the future? Quite frankly, we don't trust them.

Transport committee  Well, you have to understand that when a train derails—and you say there's some history to it—the train is like a snake, so it could be on a curve. The only way we know what's happened when the train has come to an emergency stop is to actually go back and take a look at what's h

Transport committee  You're right. I know we're the oldest union in the country, so there's a lot of history there. If you go back in history and you see where the lines were built, they were in rural areas and the cities grew around them. I think that's a fair statement.

Transport committee  I think it's within the processes that we're talking about. If it's designed to discipline employees and move in that direction then we're absolutely against it. If it's designed to assist for example the TSB in assessing safety concerns, we support that. That's the divide and so

Transport committee  The answer is absolutely yes to that.

Transport committee  I think we're going through the process right now. I think very shortly we're going to be starting to deal with substance on these issues.

Transport committee  Sure. So first off, I don't know where that came from, that we're against LVVR, voice and video recording. We've never made that statement. In fact, I have meetings coming up with the TSB. My own executive is meeting today and tomorrow to give a position on that. So we think that

Transport committee  Not that I'm aware of.