Public Safety committee  My dissertation did not contain any reference to the social impact bonds.

Public Safety committee  The Morgan report? Yes.

Public Safety committee  I think I may not. I'd have to think about it.

Public Safety committee  I would go back to earlier comments by a member, who said that it's a kind of piecemeal approach.

Public Safety committee  I think it needs to go beyond a preamble to certain types of criminal justice legislation that already exist. It has to outline and actually put an obligation upon certain key people in authority to do certain things.

Public Safety committee  —and to make those fully transparent to the public and to publish them on a regular annual basis. Their publication would also include not only the reported rate of crime but also annual, ongoing victimization survey data and the like. If I may swerve just for a moment, in the C

Public Safety committee  No. I think that—

Public Safety committee  Succinctly, I expect that ad hoc solutions, or things where you're just putting out brush fires around crime and social ills, will ultimately go into the annals of history without a broader strategic framework in place....

Public Safety committee  I'm saying we don't know.

Public Safety committee  As the evidence starts to come in.

Public Safety committee  No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that—

Public Safety committee  I think that we should look at anything that contributes to the reduction of crime in Canada, especially to the reduction of harm to Canadians from those crimes. Ventures like this should be looked at. I am saying that these need to be contained within a broader strategic framewo

Public Safety committee  We'd stick with the report that you have before you that is a very sober and an interesting look at social impact bonds. I think it states clearly that we have yet to fully see the results.

Public Safety committee  It depends on the problem in the local context and what they're facing. Sometimes, certain types of social development or wraparound programs work quite effectively. In the City of Surrey's case, some of that's being done with young kids to prevent them from joining gangs. In ot

Public Safety committee  Were another available, that's correct.