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Public Safety committee  I suppose I would find some foundations that were genuinely interested in working in this area and collect together a group of people of that kind. There are quite a lot of foundations. Certainly in Britain, it's the foundations that are heavily invested in these projects.

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much.

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  I wouldn't say that it wouldn't interest investors. I think it could interest them a great deal. I just think it would be extremely difficult to make big inroads into reducing it, because it is extremely difficult, and much of the work that needs to be done is in terms of being a

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  I think it's extremely helpful if a project is able to improve people's lives, and I think the difficulty is how you value that in sort of monetary terms so you can show that you've reduced certain things. The other measures are more difficult to weight and to evaluate. I think

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  That's quite a question. I think there's absolutely room for trying out this approach in one or two areas, but I don't think you can see it as something that means the government doesn't have to think about and develop and fund programs, because it will only be certain areas. Mos

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  I think there is certainly evidence on the basis of public-private partnerships, not the social bond. In terms of the kinds of projects that people like to invest in, there's been quite a bit of work done on the use of these kinds of approaches in Latin America and the Caribbean.

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  May I answer in English?

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  Thank you. There's an enormous amount of work on the safety of women, and there are two broad areas. One is violence against women in the family and personal violence, and the other is women's safety in cities. There are now an extraordinary number of very interesting programs b

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  It's going to have different financing.

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  I agree. I think it is a different context, and some of the discussion I've seen about it in the U.K. is that you're asking people to make money out of people's lives. There's a suggestion that it's not actually a very good thing to do to make money out of their sort of distress.

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  Certainly most of the discussion has been around having firm contracts among all the partners involved. You need to have some ground rules. There needs to be some kind of assessment of the likelihood of getting good results. You need to detail what the outcomes are going to be, a

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  I think there is a big problem. When you start a new program, everybody is very invested in it. They're excited about it. Maybe the participants are involved in it as well. They may feel they are part of a new venture, and this causes an effect that lifts the program. It used to

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  That's quite a big question. There is a report—and I can leave this with you—that was produced by the World Bank and ICPC in 2011, which is on public-private partnerships and community safety. It is in French, English, and Spanish. It deals with the issue of public-private partne

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  The issue is how you measure an impact. It's much more difficult to show a big drop in crime if you're improving the safety and security of women in an area of a city. You don't expect to see a drop in crime as a result of that, but you may have an improvement in how safe people

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw

Public Safety committee  That's a really interesting question, because I think that sometimes more attention gets given to some than others. Certainly in the U.K.—and I'm sorry if I go back, but that's where I come from—the British put a huge amount of money into closed-circuit television. It's the most

June 12th, 2014Committee meeting

Dr. Margaret Shaw