Justice committee  Oh, yes, but that's absolutely beyond the kind of thing that I would be—

Justice committee  Oh, yes, absolutely. For any government or related institution in Canada, I don't think there are any problems with accessibility on that.

Justice committee  A Canadian Environmental Protection Act offence is the exact kind of administrative sanction that this is talking about—

Justice committee  No, it does exist right now. It's in the Canadian Environmental Protection Act and it's in the regulations and it's—

Justice committee  Oh, absolutely, I agree. This exception is—

Justice committee  It's criminal law mainly. There's quite an overlap. A lot of what criminal lawyers do these days ends up being administrative law and regulatory law.

Justice committee  Yes.

Justice committee  Could I?

Justice committee  Well, possibly, but I studied engineering for a while.

Justice committee  I don't think that's really the sense that accessibility is being used here.

Justice committee  Well, from a criminal liability point of view, though, what we're really interested in is whether there is a stable, predictable standard against which behaviour can be measured. In the case of an electrical code, sure there is, because you're either qualified to go out and wire

Justice committee  But the problem that I was talking about in the way of accessibility is knowing when the standard has changed.

Justice committee  I did not find anything in the way of cases regarding accessibility from the perspective of criminal liability. It's really a novel kind of concept. As I mentioned, I don't think this has really been considered by a lot of criminal lawyers. I don't know that anyone has actually r

Justice committee  It doesn't necessarily go through the gazetting process in the first case either. In fact, the proposed amendments specifically excuse documents that are incorporated by reference from being published in the Gazette. So the reference—

Justice committee  The reference to the document would go through the gazetting process. The document itself wouldn't necessarily be published in the Gazette. We would know that it was being referred to, but the document itself is—