Human Resources committee  I'll get to it very quickly. I think the U.K. has the example to look at. This issue has gone through both Labour and Conservative governments. It's gone from one to the other and, I think, back again consistently. To deal with the contingent liabilities, I'll defer to Mr. Hart

Human Resources committee  I think the biggest challenge or the biggest concern is the one that Sarah addressed, which is that there needs to be a recognition that this has to be incremental. This is not to take away from the organizations that still, and will continue to, need grants. Government has a rol

Human Resources committee  Fair enough.

Human Resources committee  I think it's important to recognize that, again, we're not talking about replacing. In many cases we're talking about additional programming. The risk is not to the organization. The organization itself is guaranteed the funding. It's the return to the investors. The whole idea

Human Resources committee  I'm sorry.

Human Resources committee  My apologies.

Human Resources committee  Let me start by responding to the last question of who should champion it. There are a variety of players. I think the role the federal government can play is providing leadership, particularly about being what we would call an outcomes funder. At the Centre for Impact lnvest

Human Resources committee  Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair and committee. Thank you for letting us appear by video. It is a bit of a bittersweet day today; we couldn't come up to Ottawa as the founder or MaRS, John Evans, passed away on Friday. So we have just returned from his funeral. Thank you ve