Status of Women committee  We said many of these men are under 25, but they are fathers. A lot of them are fathers.

Status of Women committee  Quite often a school guidance counsellor or a school principal would call and say, “Look, I'm really struggling with this particular kid for these particular reasons. Could you guys work with the student?” We would say, on occasion, “Yes, we have the time, and we will.”

Status of Women committee  It's a little harder to track, because it's out of our scope, if you know what I mean. We're doing it because they need it and we see it as part of our work, but it's not our main program. If we never see them again, then maybe we've done a good job. If they haven't ended up back in our program as an older man, then maybe we've gotten where we needed to go with them, but that's not an absolute.

Status of Women committee  Not that I know of.

Status of Women committee  There are places and times to do that. Maybe it could be in child welfare and stuff like that, but not really in New Leaf.

Status of Women committee  There's one called Pornland that's similar.

Status of Women committee  Yes.

Status of Women committee  You would talk about violence in sport. You would get the young men talking about schoolyard fights. You would get the young men talking about all the different scenarios. For instance, you get them engaged in what they see as violence in society. Then they start talking about it among themselves, and they start drawing conclusions.

Status of Women committee  Not at New Leaf, no. We don't.

Status of Women committee  We've reduced it since, but—

Status of Women committee  Ron did, yes.

Status of Women committee  The key piece is that they're funnelled through without doing the work.

Status of Women committee  The impact it's having is that it's sending a very bad message to young boys about what a normal relationship is, so they go into teen relationships expecting a whole lot of things that aren't good for them or good for the young women. That happens to varying degrees, and if that happens long enough, you get addiction to porn.

Status of Women committee  Yes. If we had more funding, that could be a topic in school if it had to be. Anyway, that's where we're going with it.

Status of Women committee  Well, you don't. Really what you do is you teach healthy relationships, and that's what CMC is really tackling. I think I said, “boys will be boys”.