Industry committee  Thank you.

Industry committee  Mr. Chair, with respect, I asked a question about—

Industry committee  —the advisory council.

Industry committee  With respect, Minister, it's not to the levels recommended in the Naylor report.

Industry committee  You keep citing the Naylor report, and you have not—

Industry committee  It's also my time, Mr. Chair, and the Naylor report was clear about its recommendations for increased funding levels. The fact of the matter is the government has not increased funding for the four granting councils to that level. That's a fact.

Industry committee  —about the national advisory council and not about funding levels.

Industry committee  I asked about the—

Industry committee  I'd like her to answer about the national advisory council.

Industry committee  And I can respond in any way I'd like to respond.

Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to respond to what Mr. Oliver said. I use accurate statistics. We pulled out the latest OECD statistics. The reason I used 2017 is that's the latest year for which data was available from the OECD on the higher education research and development measures.

Industry committee  Mr. Chair, I agree. I just want to finish my sentence, please, if I might.

Industry committee  May I finish my sentence?

Industry committee  Fair enough.

Industry committee  I agree, but the funding levels—