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Public Safety committee  Yes. To add to what Mr. McGuinty said, the committee looked at its counterpart, the ISC, as well, but it felt very strongly, based on the studies, that the more language skills an organization has, the more community contacts—the more cultural competencies, for example—the better it is and the more flexible and open-minded it is to look at threats and to conduct its investigations.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  You're right, Mr. Kurek, in the sense that we did not come across or find an overall threat assessment produced by the government on foreign interference. In fact, one of our major findings, one of our major recommendations, is that this be included as part of any government threat assessment.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  Sure. Getting back to your question about CSIS, for an investigation to be initiated for foreign interference, it has to be very clearly presented or seen as detrimental to the interests of Canadians and Canada, and of a clandestine or deceptive nature. Any activity that constitutes lawful advocacy, protest or dissent is specifically excluded from investigation, but it's also why it has been so difficult for government and for certain agencies to present a threat from foreign interference.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  I hope that answers your question.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  Yes, absolutely. We did not get a response from the minister. In the course of our review, we did indeed note that ministerial directives were lacking, but we did not receive a response as to why they were not issued.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  May I add something, Mr. Chair?

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  Thank you. Just to add to what Mr. McGuinty said, I think it's important to point out that the time frame for our review was from January 2015 to August 2018. The material we received reflects the findings and the status of the recommendations in our report. I think we do point out that, for example, CSIS has been talking about and investigating foreign interference since its creation.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  I would be happy to. The purpose of the review was twofold. The first objective was to gain a clearer statistical understanding of diversity and inclusion across the security and intelligence community, as Mr. McGuinty mentioned. The second objective was to identify the departmental programs and policies aimed at building diversity and inclusion in the organizations.

November 23rd, 2020Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  It's easier for me to—

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  Yes. I think it's because CSIS operates within very precise references and direction, so the more precision they get, the better it is for the officers in a region to collect. I think that's what we were trying to refer to.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  This problem is related to the redaction process. You can't just cross out the information in a document and then transfer it to a computer or on the web. In fact, copies and photocopies must be made before they are posted on the website.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  Yes. We share your frustration, Mr. Dubé.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  They're able to collect intelligence if they have a legally mandated authority to deploy forces on a mission, whether it's in Canada in support of the RCMP or CSE for example, or on a mission abroad. They can collect in support of a mission wherever it is.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  As I think I mentioned earlier, it's a question of the departments, particularly those that are not subject to regular review, getting used to providing information, the relevant information, to the committee. In some cases, it's perhaps about the secretariat needing to be more precise in terms of time frames or the type of information we want.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux

Public Safety committee  One of the reasons we didn't look at the upcoming election in terms of foreign interference is that the government—they informed us—was doing so much work in terms of assessing the threat and then taking action to prevent the threat of foreign interference.

May 13th, 2019Committee meeting

Rennie Marcoux