Public Accounts committee  Yes. I want to provide a word of caution to this committee. Cultural change is the most difficult kind of change. The majority of cultural changes fail. We know that even if all the stars are aligned, it takes five to ten years for cultural change to occur. And not all the star

Public Accounts committee  I teach the PhD class in managing change. I teach the MBA class. I think that if you looked at my report, the RCMP is definitely not change ready. The biggest issue, of course, is a lack of trust and a real doubt that the RCMP is actually going to stick to it this time. The RCM

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. I was just listening, saying, “Yes, yes, I agree.” I think from my interviews—300 interviews of an hour or an hour and a half, or two hours, some of them—a lot of people thought that people were agreeing with leaders so that they would be perceived positively, when th

Public Accounts committee  No data supports that, actually. Family is number one for both men and women, and work-life balance is important for both men and women.

Public Accounts committee  I didn't say that. I didn't say that for women family should be their number one priority. I think that family should be--

Public Accounts committee  There were some very senior people, but there is a shortage of women above the constable and corporal ranks. There's no doubt about that.

Public Accounts committee  They leave after reaching the constable and corporal levels. They're coming in but they're not staying, and it goes back to this culture of work or family.

Public Accounts committee  When we did the report, we wanted to look at the impact of rank and the impact of gender. So there is a bunch of stuff on females in there. But the interesting thing is that we could only get a sufficient sample to look at females in the two lowest ranks of constable and corporal

Public Accounts committee  Yes, it does, actually.

Public Accounts committee  I was going to say I don't have a copy of my remarks. If you have one I'll read it.

Public Accounts committee  Well, I could if you have a day and a half. I was just going to actually outline what I did and give you a few key observations. That's all.

Public Accounts committee  That's not a problem. I understand. I have the rules. I think I thank you for inviting me. I'm not sure. We'll wait and see how I feel at the end of the process. I am an academic, and how I first got exposed to the RCMP was when we did a very big national study on work-life bal