Natural Resources committee  Well, it doesn't. Of course, we have to recognize that when we're comparing strictly some renewables such as solar or, in this case, wind, they are not effective unless they are backed up, usually by natural gas, or as I think Ms. Smith has pointed out, by other electrical mean

Natural Resources committee  Not at all. Internal combustion engines are the most efficient ones in 2021 and 2022, and mated with hybrids are probably half the price.

Natural Resources committee  Right.

Natural Resources committee  No, you do need some time, Mr. Angus, because of course that's your style. Although I'm related to you and I consider you a friend, I understand that your idea here is to publicly—

Natural Resources committee  [Inaudible—Editor] your leader last week.

Natural Resources committee  That's hardly fair.

Natural Resources committee  Mr. Angus knows I'm a realist. That's why we worked together in the past. He wants to call this denialism. That's a terrible slur. I'm surprised he's using it, but then that's what you expect from someone who's taking an extreme view on a public policy that's hurting his consti

Natural Resources committee  Again.

Natural Resources committee  I don't think it's the clock.

Natural Resources committee  Mike, thank you for that. Look, I think we have to recognize that the so-called transition for workers was attempted here in Ontario. It didn't work out so well, and many of those workers are still looking for work and have gone back to traditional industries. We have to recogn

Natural Resources committee  Okay.

Natural Resources committee  I described their conclusions.... When we take one versus the several that may be out there, we tend to look at the most extreme and use that as a basis for public policy, which isn't very wise.

Natural Resources committee  I know what it is, Mr. Angus.

Natural Resources committee  Chair, thank you. Thank you for the question. Go easy, go in concert with what technology is available, and do so ensuring that you do no harm to Canadians, their prosperity and their ability to make ends meet.

Natural Resources committee  Those are the big issues of the day that you, as politicians, will have to deal with, but I can tell you from experience here in Ontario, a province that has a significant amount of clean energy already produced, the cost has been significant. The Province of Ontario has picked u