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Status of Women committee  Sure. It was two months of hell. I don't know whether I'm allowed to say that word, but I did. It was dollars and cents. I wasn't Tom Fenske; I was just an FTE, a full-time employee, a number. It was just a head count procedure to try to get as many people out the door as possible, and midwifery offers the perfect example of why you can't use it in the public sector.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske

Status of Women committee  I would just clarify that I am the president of the staff union. However, I feel it would be the same for the faculty unit. I hesitate to speak on their behalf, but I would say that it is complete confusion. Arguments can be made for different programs—and I don't think that's something we would want to get into—but with regard to this program, it does not make sense.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske

Status of Women committee  I can start but I'm sure Ms. Morgan will have a lot more to say than I will. We have a university in northern Ontario and we have an indigenous learning centre so that people can feel comfortable. They have to feel comfortable and there is a trust component. When you can speak in the language of your choice, your trust level is a lot higher.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske

Status of Women committee  Yes, if I understand the question correctly, it's the barriers that have been created. To have people from northern Ontario have to go to southern Ontario to learn these programs.... That's the whole reason we have a medical school in the north. It's to service the north, to branch out and stay in the north.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske

Status of Women committee  I think there should be full recognition of the value they bring. Maybe I'll give you a personal story. When my eldest, Madeline, was born we had family members who were a little skeptical. They were not as comfortable with midwives, and we were figuring it out because it was our first child.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske

Status of Women committee  Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. Lisa has been doing a great job leading that program. I don't have a lot of speaking notes. I was heavily involved through the CCAA process as the president of the staff union. When it comes to midwifery programs, there's a lot of confusion. There are a lot of questions unanswered.

May 6th, 2021Committee meeting

Tom Fenske