Public Accounts committee  I can start responding and then Mr. Glover can add information, if he wishes to do so. We're conducting an extensive series of consultations throughout the public service to understand what users need and what the human resources community needs to make the system work. Since this is an iterative process, as we learn more, we can make adjustments to meet user needs.

Public Accounts committee  That's true. We'll be taking part in tests. As more and more products are ready for testing, the same user can see whether things work.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, certainly, I would be pleased to do so. Throughout the procurement process, including our current exploratory phase, we've consulted with the users and communities involved. Approximately 1,000 people were consulted in the first exploratory phase. This includes users, along with people from the human resources community, the compensation community, managers and senior executives.

Public Accounts committee  The fact that my organization, the Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer, is an integral part of the project team already constitutes a big step towards improvement, compared to the Phoenix project. The Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer dictates the business requirements that the vendor must meet to ensure the effectiveness of the solution.