Public Safety committee  Our business is with the United States, in terms of the amount of trade we do. We'd best make sure that we're aligned with our largest trading partner.

Public Safety committee  We got lucky with this last attack. That's everything I have been told publicly. We only know about this attack because an American soldier leaked it. Otherwise, the Canadian public wouldn't know about it—

Public Safety committee  I do want to get to something that was raised about cars. Modern cars right now are software. The reason they're being stolen so easily is that they're easily hackable. If you want to talk about something that should keep you awake at night, it's the fact that Elon Musk at Tesla does over-the-air updates and every single Tesla in this country could get bricked.

Public Safety committee  Absolutely.

Public Safety committee  Thank you for the question. I apologize, my French isn't very good, so I'll answer in English. The due diligence defence to the administrative monetary penalties is the first thing that becomes a positive thing. If I showed that we were in the spirit, trying to defend our organization, that we were doing what we should, that's a positive step that encourages me to invest, so I can show that.

Public Safety committee  —that 40 to 60 Americans have died because of ransomware attacks against hospitals there, so yes, we need help. We need to get this law done first, and the first thing to make it better, from a positive side, is to have a due diligence defence.

Public Safety committee  I'll go first. In the time that we have languished, Australia has published a comprehensive cyber strategy in relation to some horrific attacks on their citizens and their personal medical information, Europe has moved forward with legislation, and the United States has moved forward with bold executive and legislative action.

Public Safety committee  I draw your attention to April 2023, when a Russian-linked hacking group successfully penetrated a Canadian natural gas pipeline provider and was “able to increase valve pressure, disable alarms, and make emergency shutdowns.” By the way, this Russian hacking team wasn't even their best, so that's what we're risking when we fiddle while Rome burns on cyber-legislation.

Public Safety committee  First, we have to walk before we can run. Let me put this into very clear terms: Canada is not even crawling when it comes to defending itself. If you want to look at a leader right now, look at Australia. We are lagging, and it's not going to be business that pays the price. It's going to be everyday Canadians.

Public Safety committee  I'm just about wrapped up. It's to ensure that the Canadian people, through Parliament, are in control of the technologies they rely on for the functioning of our society—not the technology itself, not the technology companies, and certainly not our adversaries. Thank you.

Public Safety committee  Good afternoon. My name is David Shipley, and I'm the chief executive officer and co-founder of Beauceron Security Inc. I'm also the co-chair of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce's cyber council. I'm a proud Canadian Forces veteran, having served with the Canadian Army Reserve in the 8th Canadian Hussars.

Public Safety committee  For barriers to the companies reporting, number one, the insurance companies often say, “We're running the response for this breach. It's cheaper for us to pay out the ransom. You're not involving the police. Shut up.” If you're a publicly traded company, this could affect share price.

Public Safety committee  We have had Russian ransomware gangs attack us. We need to get better at it. Cryptocurrency, the flow of money, is fuelling this problem.

Public Safety committee  We are lagging in getting instant reporting in place now. We have Canadian organizations that are going to be telling the United States what has potentially happened to them, and we're completely in the dark. The push to start with federally regulated industries, such as transportation, banking, energy, telecommunications, that's good, but the pain is often outside of those federally regulated industries.

Public Safety committee  I'm not familiar with the specific instances of that. However, based on what you're saying, I'll add that we've had warnings from our intelligence agencies talking about influence operations against MPs of all stripes, from various nationalities that have interests, whether it's Russia, China, etc.