Information & Ethics committee  I would describe her performance as remarkable and outstanding.

Information & Ethics committee  I didn't mention it, but some lawyers called me. Maybe on March 23, maybe before, a lawyer and the CEO, who was present, informed me that they had some concerns, because the chair, Ted, was—

Information & Ethics committee  I'll speak for myself. I resigned. I don't have a reputation for leaving the boat in stormy weather. I've never done that. I have managed many contentious and controversial files in my career. The reason I chose to resign, as I wrote in my letter of resignation, was that I wasn't convinced that this matter would be handled with transparency and integrity.

Information & Ethics committee  It wasn't so much a legal opinion. I'm not a lawyer. I don't want to get hung up on words, but the fact remains that lawyers called me to point out that there was a potential conflict of interest in this matter with regard to the current chair of the board of directors and other members.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Are we referring to David Johnston or Ted Johnson?

Information & Ethics committee  I don't know.

Information & Ethics committee  It's exactly what Dr. Gibson said. The board wanted to know what the facts were so that we could decide what it was. If the foundation had made any errors, the idea was to look into the issue and correct them—if there were issues to be corrected. To pass judgment now would not be right.

Information & Ethics committee  There was always some confusion surrounding who the real donors were. That was part of the issue. We wanted to be audited independently.

Information & Ethics committee  The only time I heard that name was in a communication from the president, Pascale Fournier, who mentioned that this member had indicated that she knew the identity of the person, but really, it's hearsay. I have no idea.

Information & Ethics committee  I mentioned that Caroline Lin would probably be a useful witness to clarify certain aspects of this matter.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  I would perhaps invite Dr. Gibson to chime in.

Information & Ethics committee  What did he say he didn't know about?

Information & Ethics committee  I think so.