Information & Ethics committee  There was push-back. As I said earlier, there was a heavy number of emails that arose every single time I put something forward. First of all, it was to destroy the reputation of the lawyer we had selected. Second, it was to suggest that everybody who was in potential conflict of interest could stay until such a time as we had an agreement.

Information & Ethics committee  We weren't discussing that. We were discussing having an independent audit, and that's what we were focused on. We were not discussing foreign interference.

Information & Ethics committee  I was always impressed with Dr. Fournier. She led the foundation very well. She had a very collegial relationship with all of the directors and led the foundation into a completely different approach. She diversified who was accountable at the level of directors. She diversified strategically and she carefully ensured that there was access for people from all ethnicities.

Information & Ethics committee  I did.

Information & Ethics committee  I found her testimony to be credible, and it aligned with my experience.

Information & Ethics committee  Similar to what Dyane Adam just said, I also did not feel that I could trust the governance any further, the leadership. I didn't feel there was transparency. I didn't feel there was integrity, and I felt that there were attacks on the former president, which was not professional or—

Information & Ethics committee  I'm not aware. I think Dyane may have information.

Information & Ethics committee  That's correct.

Information & Ethics committee  That's correct, and we would not have had access to all the information that you would have needed. That's why we're seeking an independent review.

Information & Ethics committee  There was no reason offered.

Information & Ethics committee  It was just what was available in The Globe and Mail, and what was said in meetings. I think that's been clearly discussed at this committee level.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm not aware if she would have evidence or not.

Information & Ethics committee  I do not. I believe the former CFO, Caroline Lin, could be a good witness on this, but she would be looking back. She would not have been there at the time of the donation.

Information & Ethics committee  I provided all my documents to Madame Fournier. She had no access to documentation, so I provided everything. She would have selected amongst that to provide that information forward.

Information & Ethics committee  Agreed.