Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  I believe that intensity-based targets are an unacceptable way to effectively gauge our progress on greenhouse gas reductions.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  They're interesting as a way of trying to understand what's happening in the economy. I mean, we want less intensity. That's a good thing. We want to accomplish more with less energy. There's no question that that's a good thing, but if we want to reduce greenhouse gases, let's b

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  That's an improvement, right?

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, it's not really clear. It may be, in fact, that the economy is in a downturn. It may indicate, and probably does, that the--

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Oh, no, I don't believe so. I think that was happening spontaneously. That's what I'm saying.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, I mean, obviously--

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, things would improve.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  That's correct. They are not acceptable as a means of targeting and achieving greenhouse gas reductions.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  I think they have their purpose. They have a use, but this isn't the best use of them.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Yes.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  No. I think they're a tool; I just don't think they're the best tool for this job.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  I know it isn't easy when it comes to the negotiations, when it goes sector by sector, and when you have to deal with those industries and all of their particular problems, hassles, benefits, and costs, but it's the kind of negotiating that needs to be done. I think governments

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, Canada is certainly among the worst of the culprits, but there are a number of them.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  The ones that are worse than Canada are Turkey, Spain, and Portugal.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  For cutting 50%, or more than 50%. I think we need a fixed, absolute cap on emissions for industry that extends a Kyoto-level target.