Evidence of meeting #66 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was research.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Fortin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Gilles Saindon  Director General, Science Bureau, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Suzanne Vinet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Laurent Souligny  Chair, Canadian Egg Marketing Agency
Peter Clarke  Vice-Chair, Canadian Egg Marketing Agency
Fred Krahn  Executive Committee Member, Canadian Egg Marketing Agency

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I call this meeting to order as we continue on our agricultural policy framework study.

The motion was concurred in for travel to Washington next week, just so all of you are aware of that.

Joining us right now, from the department, we have Suzanne Vinet, Dr. Marc Fortin, and Gilles Saindon, who are going to be here for the first hour.

If you want to make opening comments--Marc, I believe you will be--please keep them to ten minutes or less. We'd appreciate that, as it will give us some time for questions.

3:30 p.m.

Marc Fortin Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It's a pleasure for me to be here to discuss with the committee the contributions of science and innovation to the agriculture and agri-food sector.

Scientists across Canada, and from across academic, private and public organizations, have made important contributions to agriculture. It's important we continue to harness the potential for innovation because agriculture and agrifood can provide solutions to national issues.

The health of Canadians is a priority, and we know that there is a link between nutrition and health. Another example of a contribution to a national priority is, of course, environmental sustainability, simply because most of the Canadian landscape is rural. Scientists also contribute to the energy sector, as we can derive energy directly from renewable biomass.

New knowledge, new ideas, and new scientific and market intelligence fuel innovation. They are also extending the range of products derived from the land beyond the conventional “food, feed, and fibre”.

While there's a good foundation and capacity for innovation in Canada, our ability to capture the benefits of innovation requires that we continue to be imaginative about how we work together, how we optimize the use of our resources, and how we manage our investments to ensure returns across the innovation value chain.

In 2005, AAFC launched a series of consultations across the country--11 regional consultations capped with a national symposium, which resulted in the release in May 2006, by Minister Strahl, of the science and innovation strategy.

Some of the key principles of that science and innovation strategy are that we need to focus our investments on national priorities by aligning our research efforts with priorities in the sector; we need to focus on excellence of the research done by Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada; we need to extend the science and innovation capacity to the bio-based economy, beyond food, feed, and fibre; and, especially, we need to find new partnership arrangements to deliver that science and innovation capacity.

The agriculture and agrifood sector has several priorities: we aim to focus our investment on national priorities; ensuring excellence in the science performed at AASC; extend science and innovation capacity to the bio-based economy; and, above all, create new partnership arrangements to deliver science to all Canadians.

AAFC is already implementing some of the key directions given in budget 2007 in relation to innovation. The federal budget outlined the need for using the innovation capacity, both inside and outside government, through new partnerships across the private, the academic, and the public sectors. Over the years, AAFC has developed many forms of partnerships, and we have continued to innovate in that respect.

I'll limit my remarks to this.

I'll introduce my colleagues.

I am accompanied by Ms. Suzanne Vinet, Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, and Mr. Gilles Saindon, Director General, Science Bureau, Research Branch.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you very much.

We'll go into our first round. Who is going first?

Mr. Hubbard, go ahead for seven minutes, please.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This is probably one of the first times that I've been involved with this aspect at committee.

When you speak of partnerships, we've had criticism in the past, going back to the mid-1990s, that a lot of the research money and the innovation money was diverted away from helping and getting more involved with bigger groups that had more resources. How widespread are your partnerships? Could you give us a few examples of who your partners might be, in terms of science and innovation?

3:35 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

We could speak volumes about this, actually. When I speak about partnerships and the need for finding new ways of building partnerships, I'm talking about evolving our capacity to bring the best minds in the country to work together, whether the best minds are from the private, the academic, or the public sector.

There are tremendous opportunities for new knowledge and innovation in the agriculture and agri-food sector. Our trading partners are investing heavily in science and innovation.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

I don't mean to interrupt, but I only have a limited amount of time.

Could you give some examples?

3:35 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

Sure. One example is the Institute for Nutrisciences and Health in Charlottetown, where we are in partnership with the National Research Council and with the University of P.E.I. We have scientists in the same building, in the same shop, working together, using the expertise that is stronger in the various partners to work on building between food, nutrition, and health. That's one example.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Could you cite a couple of others?

3:35 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

We have examples in which we partner with the private sector, with small and medium-sized enterprises in Canada, that need our expertise to improve products. They have an idea. They have somewhat developed a product and need to bring it closer to market. They can tap into our expertise. That program has been in existence since 1994, the matching investment initiative. They bring in their idea, we bring in our expertise, and we work together to solve the technical or scientific problems.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Might you, though, specifically give some examples of groups you are working with?

3:35 p.m.

Gilles Saindon Director General, Science Bureau, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

We've worked with multinational companies such as McCain Foods on development of material that will provide better resistance to insects. We worked with the soybean producers in Ontario on the development of phytophtora-resistent germplasm. We've worked with some producer groups in western Canada on development of new varieties, and also production packages. Those are the types. They have different scales, sizes, and scopes.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

I have two real examples in my mind right now, in terms of P.E.I. and in terms of McCain. We are one of the biggest food processors and probably rank among the top in the world.

What about some other specific examples with universities or small or medium-sized companies? What examples would you cite there?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Science Bureau, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Gilles Saindon

In the past we've done trials or research with Lassonde Industries, for example, in Quebec, on development of new beverages. That is a medium- to larger-sized company.

I don't have a list. Examples don't come to mind at this point in time, but there could be others. We have lists that are available as well.

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

We'd be happy to provide a list of our partners--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

No; I'm just surprised that we have three of the main people, and if you have difficulty giving us examples, it seems we didn't call the right people.

Scientific research and innovation are very big factors in terms of our food. We heard, for example, from cranberry growers when we toured the country. They talked about the fact that there are certain elements in cranberries that apparently are good for our health in terms of bladder and kidneys and all that. Have we done any work on research in that area to see if there's any validity to that, or to help them develop a special product?

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

We have a scientist working specifically in Kentville, Nova Scotia, on the health properties of blueberries and other small berry crops. This is in part the work that is being done at the new Institute of Nutrisciences and Health in Charlottetown. We're also doing work in Manitoba at St. Boniface Hospital. where some of the health properties of cereal products are being investigated.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

We hear so much about the big companies like Monsanto and Cargill. Are you doing any work with those people?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Science Bureau, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Gilles Saindon

I'll have to check.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

You should know. We're talking about some of the biggest companies involved in the agriculture community, so you must be able to tell us yes or no. Is Monsanto on your list to get money from the federal government to develop products?

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Science Bureau, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Gilles Saindon

Under the matching investment initiative the money stays with us. It doesn't go to anybody. The players work with us on a particular project. If we have an active project with Monsanto right now, I'd have to get back to you on that.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

You don't know if you have one with Monsanto?

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

We have a list of 1,500 partners with over 2,000 or so projects. We'd be happy to send the list.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you, Mr. Hubbard.

Just to follow up on that, in the partnership agreements where the research has been done at Agriculture Canada facilities, who owns the royalty on the technology?

3:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Research Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Marc Fortin

The Crown owns the technology that is developed within AAFC.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Gaudet, you have seven minutes.