Evidence of meeting #53 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was biotechnology.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christie Young  Executive Director, FarmStart
Jerome Konecsni  Director General, Plant Biotechnology Institute, National Research Council Canada
Penny Park  Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada
Suzanne Corbeil  Founding Chair and Champion, Science Media Centre of Canada

March 3rd, 2011 / 11:25 a.m.

Penny Park Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada

Thank you very much.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am very pleased to be with you today.

I am Penny Park, executive director of the Science Media Centre. With me is Suzanne Corbeil, who is the founding chair of the SMCC. Our testimony today is to inform you of the role the SMCC might play in shaping public policy.

The whole idea for the SMCC was born in part out of problems and challenges that were faced in communicating biotechnology to the public. It was about 10 years ago that the British House of Lords' select committee on science and tech published their report, which was in great measure a response to tabloid headlines on “Frankenfood”, talking about genetically modified organisms and media controversies over BSE and the MMR vaccine. That media coverage, as I'm sure you know, had tremendous policy implications in the U.K.

In its report the select committee referred to a sense of crisis among the scientific community and an emerging anti-science mood. So they called for suggestions on how to meet that challenge. What they came up with was this idea of the Science Media Centre. That is because the media is the place where the public gets its scientific information. Into this environment, the Science Media Centre in the U.K. was born. And it has spread. Now there's a Science Media Centre in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and one is going to be opening in the fall in Denmark.

We opened at the end of September of this year. It is a non-profit charitable organization set up to help journalists cover science when it hits the headlines. Our ultimate goal is to raise the level of discourse in Canada on issues of a science nature by helping journalists get access, on their timeline, to good quality evidence-based research. We believe that media coverage of science that is more informed, accurate, and incisive will help increase public engagement, and it will also benefit, not only the scientists and the journalists, but policy-makers and the public as well.

When we say science, we mean everything: natural, social sciences, engineering, biomedical—all aspects of science. As you know, too, these stories are pervasive. They underline major issues we face as a society—biotechnology being one of them. And biotechnology, of course, has incredible financial ramifications for farmers, economic implications for the country, and environmental consequences locally and globally.

I have some statistics from a published report, Making Sense of Emerging Technologies, which was prepared by the Genome Prairies GELS team at the University of Calgary, in September 2005. I think they are particularly interesting. While 69% of Canadians believe biotechnology will be beneficial, fewer than 25% believe specifically that genetically modified food will improve their life. A majority of Canadians believe their government probably doesn't do enough to study and manage the risks associated with biotechnology, and 85% of Canadians agree that the government should lower the use of biotechnology until more is known about the risk. It would seem that much remains to be discussed about biotechnology: what it is and what the risks and benefits are.

We need to have this discussion. We recognize that the media is where most Canadians get their scientific information, but at the same time the media is under an incredible stress. The financial business structure is imploding. There are fewer specialist journalists who are familiar with the complexities of science, and today's journalists are required to produce more stories, more quickly than ever before.

This is where the Science Media Centre of Canada comes in. We offer these sorts of services. Twice a week we send out a heads-up, a digest of significant stories that are about to be published in the major journals. That comes out in Canadian research news, conferences, and events of potential interest to registered reporters across the country. We provide this service in French and English. We have a rapid turnaround. In our office, we will take calls any time, 24/7.

Reporters can call us if they're working on a story and we will connect them to experts, like the ones who you're familiar with, I'm sure, such as David Waltner-Toews and Andrew Potter. As I say, we respond 24/7 on the timeline of the journalist. These experts are vetted not just for their scientific credibility but also for their ability to be able to communicate effectively with the media.

We hold webinars, online briefings on science topics that might be particularly complex, and these are done on the Internet. We can have experts, a panel of four, in Prince Edward Island, Victoria, Quebec City, and Ottawa, and journalists can call in and listen to the presentations by the experts, and also ask the experts questions.

We are also holding workshops for scientists, helping them understand how the media think and operate. We just had our first one at the Waterloo Institute for Nanotechnology a few weeks ago.

We're also providing introductory workshops for journalists--we're working on this--on such things as handling numbers, how to read scientific studies, and that sort of thing.

While there are also complex stories that are in the news a lot, we've also started building a database of backgrounders that are vetted again and are more detailed. For example, we had one recently on medical isotopes.

As far as our current status is concerned, we have more than 120 organizations from private, public, and corporate sectors who have donated $5,000 to become charter members, and a number of repeat funders have allowed us to open our doors.

We have two media officers, one in Montreal and one in Ottawa, providing our services, as I say, in English and French.

We have, to date, over 185 journalists who have registered for the SMCC, and registration is mandatory because the information we send out is frequently embargoed so they have to say that they will respect embargoes. They range from CBC/Radio-Canada, La Presse, the Calgary Herald, TVO, the major outlets--and it's growing as we become more well known.

We have a database of key experts, and our website has recorded more than 5,000 hits so far on comments from these experts posted online.

As I mentioned, we have webinars. We've had four. Those four webinars have resulted in more than 60 stories.

Material that we are providing is being picked up internationally as well. We've already had Canadian researchers quoted in the U.K. and in Australia, providing, in fact, a wider platform for Canadian scientists.

All of these services are provided free of charge. Currently, we're focusing on a start-up fundraising campaign for $2.5 million to establish ourselves with a strong financial base. After initial start-up costs, we project annual operating costs to be approximately $700,000 a year. Because we're a journalistic organization, no one source will contribute more than 10% of the operating budget.

The other part of the equation here is the scientists. We strongly believe that the scientists must step up and enter the discussion. They are the experts, and Canadians need to hear about their research in order to make informed decisions. At the SMCC that's what we're trying to make happen. We're not here to promote any one point of view at all. What we want to ensure is that good quality evidence-based science is represented at the table so that with an open and transparent discussion the public can be informed and engaged on these issues that drive public policy. We believe science has nothing to fear and everything to gain from more openness, even about its disagreements and uncertainty.

One of the most memorable quotes in a report that just came out earlier last year from the U.K. on science in the media is that “journalists get terribly excited by a glimpse of the ankle, but not at all excited by the full striptease”. That means, of course, that if you're open and above board, it gets much better coverage.

Media abhors a vacuum, and when experts are not readily available, that vacuum can be filled with unreliable information.

Government scientists can be important contributors to this discussion. By restricting their public voices with unrealistic delays, filters, and approval roadblocks, we are depriving Canadians of their expertise and knowledge. It is our hope that agriculture and agrifood issues will be prominently discussed through the Science Media Centre of Canada and that this sector will continue to actively support our start-up.

Being open about scientific issues and controversies can only lead to a better informed public debate on an issue. A higher level of public debate feeds into better policy on science issues. Evidence-based scientific information is an element, even a pillar, of policy, and having an open, lively discourse in the Canadian public is essential for a healthy democracy. And I'm sure it will make your jobs easier.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Thank you very much.

We'll now move into questioning.

Mr. Eyking, you have seven minutes.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

And I thank the guests for coming here.

Penny, I'm going to ask you the first question. What your group is trying to do is interesting, and I think it's important, but I have a couple of questions.

You mentioned you get some funding and support from other media outlets. Do you get any funding from people like the Monsantos of the world, the science people who are producing GMOs, and other...?

11:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada

Penny Park

We have funding. Maybe Suzanne could answer that.

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Suzanne Corbeil Founding Chair and Champion, Science Media Centre of Canada

Our funding comes from 120 different sources that have contributed very small amounts to help us go forward, because being a journalistic organization, we'll only accept.... Monsanto itself has not contributed at this point. We do have people within the agriculture...such as Dow Agro and other agricultural firms, but not Monsanto at this point.

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Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

And would they feed you information?

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Founding Chair and Champion, Science Media Centre of Canada

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

So you research it, and whatever. You're on your own. Okay, that's fine.

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Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada

Penny Park

That's right. We are funded and a charitable organization.

We have experts. On a controversial issue, for example, we would have a range of opinions. We would decide who the experts were that we should have in this particular area and what the bona fide scientific response and aspects were that we could talk to.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

That's fine.

I have quite a few questions for all the panel, so I'm going to go quickly.

You talked about the anti-science mood in--I'm still with you, Ms. Park. Sorry, I still have one more question. On this anti-science mood in Europe, you mentioned how they've kind of gone off the rails. My sense is that you're trying to make things more right or balanced. What's your quick opinion on some of the reports coming out of Europe on GMO feed that's been fed to mice or hamsters and that is causing reproductive problems or smaller offspring? What's your sense on that?

11:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada

Penny Park

I am not really--

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Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Do you guys provide any coverage on that?

11:40 a.m.

Executive Director, Science Media Centre of Canada

Penny Park

We haven't yet. We're just starting. We have a very limited staff. However, I would say that it is a very important issue to be discussed and something where we would....

The way our organization is set up, we have a scientific advisory panel, which has about 20-odd experts in different areas. We go to our scientific advisory panel and ask them about these studies. For example--and I'm not familiar with the study you're talking about--if something is coming out in the media and we see it and think it's going to garner a lot of attention, we go to our research advisory panel, who are really the gold-badge panel of the country, and we ask, “What do you think? Is this important? How is this going to tie in? Is this something we should be looking at?” And then we could get comments from a number of different sectors and a number of different experts to cover the range of opinion, and present it either in hard copy or in a panel discussion.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Okay. Thanks.

Jerome, you mentioned all the challenges we have in the crossroads in agriculture to feed the world and how Canada is going to be on the podium as food producers. You also mentioned that we're kind of falling behind on our production of our millions of acres of grains.

I'm going to you, Ms. Young, on that challenge. You are saying we are not really producing everything the right way in this country right now. You're saying there are other methods of production--healthier, more productive systems. Linking you two together--and you're talking about working together--how can your systems bring us to where we should be, as the best producers of the world, or the best stewards of our land?

I'm throwing that out to both of you, and I hope there is some sort of consensus here.

11:45 a.m.

Director General, Plant Biotechnology Institute, National Research Council Canada

Jerome Konecsni

I have lived in both worlds at the same time. I've had some practical experience and have seen the reality. I really believe there are a number of things. Some of the technologies I mentioned quickly today--and there's more detail in my presentation--could be a big help in improving organic production.

It was interesting to hear about the studies that Christie mentioned, but from my experience of 10 years in organic flax production, there was a 25% to 30% yield penalty for organic production, on average. In some cases it was worse than that, depending on the conditions. So it was a real issue.

One of the things we invested in was using technology. We worked with a computer at the University of Saskatchewan to do things that would improve the productivity of organic flax. For example, if you can reduce the growing cycle of flax by 10 days, you can seed it later and kill some of the emerging weeds when they come up when you seed.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Eyking Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

I want to make sure there's some time left for Christie.

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Director General, Plant Biotechnology Institute, National Research Council Canada

Jerome Konecsni

Sure.

I think we can look at a number of ways in which we can support and improve organic production, but at the end of the day we want healthier and safer food with less environmental impact. Those are primarily the objectives of most GM research and organic production in Canada. So I think there needs to be real, meaningful dialogue.

11:45 a.m.

Executive Director, FarmStart

Christie Young

A lot of these sources from which we can get information on organic production systems come out of the United States. We have one organic agriculture research centre in Canada based out of Truro, Nova Scotia.

The Rodale Institute is one that isn't privately funded, in terms of getting money from the corporations that would then be adopting and selling those technologies or products. I think that's probably the most critical difference between the relationships that exist with the private sector in agriculture and public research institutions.

I completely agree that there are a lot of technologies that could be useful, but we have to understand what the limiting factors are. If it's weeds, then we could take one path where we looked at herbicides and other kinds of killing-weed technologies, versus weed suppression or weed prevention that could take a different approach. I think that's where we have to start.

We have to step back and ask, what are the limiting factors that are preventing us from producing the quantity or quality of food in which we're interested? What are the different ways we can get there, and how do we figure that out? I think it has to be publicly funded for us to be able to figure it out, without a profit motive behind it.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Thank you very much.

We'll now move to Mr. Bellavance for seven minutes.

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Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Konecsni, like Mr. Eyking, I noted your comparison of the importance of feeding people and investing in nutrition research and the huge investment that was recently made for the Vancouver Olympic Games. In your comparison, you said that we should also consider the fact that we have huge priorities and huge concerns when it comes to the importance of feeding people.

Let me also add that 1 billion people around the world are still suffering from hunger. Given the growth of the population, unfortunately, we will not be able to solve this problem in the short term. So totally agree with you on the importance of feeding people.

You work for the National Research Council as a plant researcher. During our tour, we visited several university institutions that do the same work as you do. To our great astonishment, we learned that there had been a change in the priorities at the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council, or NSERC. We were told that they wanted to remove agriculture and food from the list of priorities. We are spending $1.1 billion on research and we want to give priority to the environment, to natural resources, to information technology and to the manufacturing sector, but agriculture and food will be less prominent. Your employer is still the Government of Canada, but this decision will certainly impact your organization.

11:50 a.m.

Director General, Plant Biotechnology Institute, National Research Council Canada

Jerome Konecsni

I don't know what the question was. I didn't get the translation.

I guess we should have had a little training course.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Did you hear any of Mr. Bellavance's question? No?

Mr. Bellavance, could you maybe shorten up your prelude and ask the question again? We'll be fair with you.

11:50 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Can you hear the English translation of what I am saying now? All right.

I really must start again, actually. What I was saying was important.

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Director General, Plant Biotechnology Institute, National Research Council Canada

Jerome Konecsni

I'm sure it was, yes.

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Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

You said that feeding people is extremely important, as is funding research into doing so. I agree with you entirely, all the more so, since one billion people are still going hungry at the moment. With current population increases, we will not necessarily solve the problem in the short term. So we are in full agreement that the challenges we are facing are huge, but also interesting. As a researcher, you must know that you have a very important role in all of this.

On the topic of challenges and the importance of funding research, when we began our study in biotechnology, during our travels to visit various institutions, research centres and universities, we learned that the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada, NSERC, had decided to remove agriculture and food from its funding priorities. So the $1.1 billion in available grants will be directed more to the environment, natural resources, information technology and the manufacturing sector. I am not opposed to research in those sectors, but I have trouble understanding why a decision was made not to prioritize agriculture and food.

I know that you are in awkward position, you work at the research council and therefore the Government of Canada is your employer. But you are a plant researcher. This change in focus will affect your work as a researcher directly.

Can you say a few words about that?