Evidence of meeting #20 for Canadian Heritage in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Viviane Gray  Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jacques Lahaie

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

So the inventory identifies each artifact.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

Some artifacts are missing, but this also happens in the other museums. We have just met with representatives from the Department of Foreign Affairs who lend their artifacts to foreign missions. We asked them if they ever had any missing artifacts. They replied that although it did happen, the artifacts were not really missing because they sometimes showed up again. They are sometimes recovered.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

There are no missing artifacts in Canada?

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

Based on the inventory, about 18 or 20 artifacts are missing.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Does anyone know where they are?

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

No. The Department's intranet site includes a list of these artifacts. We have art coordinators in every region, and they can help us recover these artifacts. Some artifacts are sometimes borrowed from offices; sometimes, when people leave, they take the artifacts with them.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

At the Department's request, Mr. Houle conducted a study during the 1980s and made several recommendations on the collection and how it should be maintained.

Are you aware of this report?

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

No, I am not aware of it, but I could find it if you like.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

If you find it, I would appreciate receiving a copy because we can't seem to get hold of one.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

What is his name?

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Robert Houle.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

Yes, I do recall now. We have a copy of this study.

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Could you forward a copy to the committee?

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

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Liberal

Mauril Bélanger Liberal Ottawa—Vanier, ON

Thank you.

I will come back if I can, Mr. Chairman.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you.

Mr. Kotto.

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Bloc

Maka Kotto Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I have two quick questions, because we are running out of time. I will let others delve into this more deeply.

Are you aware of the report that the Auditor General released two years ago on the conservation of works?

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

Yes. We took part in this study. Representatives from the Office came to see us to find out how we proceeded.

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Bloc

Maka Kotto Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

Very well. This report was rather alarming.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

It was what?

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Bloc

Maka Kotto Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

Rather alarming.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Viviane Gray

Yes, but not as far as we are concerned. It was aimed more at the National Archives and Parks Canada.

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Bloc

Maka Kotto Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

So you were not criticized in this matter.

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Manager, Indian and Inuit Art Centres, Corporate Services Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

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Bloc

Maka Kotto Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

An artist's work is designed to travel and not to be preserved inside a box.

The Musée du Quai Branly, which is considered the world's leading tribal art museum, has just opened in Paris. It asked for indigenous, Inuit and other works of art from Canada and the province of Quebec. It did not receive a positive response. It received two artifacts, which it exposed. The people at the museum were somewhat disappointed, if not to say frustrated, given our lack of response to their request.

What is your position on this?