Evidence of meeting #29 for Canadian Heritage in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Greg Klassen  Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission
Catherine Beauchamp  Executive Director, Corporate Communications and Governement Relations, Canadian Tourism Commission

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

On this Tuesday, November 16, 2010, I would like to welcome you all to this 29th meeting of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Welcome to this 29th meeting of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage on Tuesday, November 16, 2010.

We are here pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) for a study of the eligibility criteria of the marquee tourism events program.

We have in front of us today representatives from the Canadian Tourism Commission, Mr. Klassen, the senior vice-president, marketing strategy and communications; and Madame Beauchamp, executive director of corporate communications and government relations.

We'll begin with an opening statement.

3:30 p.m.

Greg Klassen Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Thank you very much.

Mr. Chairman, honourable members of the Committee, I am very pleased to be here today. I am delighted to be able to present an overview of our work at the Canadian Tourism Commission. While I am unable to address questions that exceed our mandate, I would nevertheless like to provide the Committee with any and all information that will be helpful to it in carrying out its mandate.

The CTC is Canada's national marketing agency. Its head office is located in Vancouver. We work in partnership with all the provinces and territories, as well as with the private sector. We have two regional offices, one in London and one in Vancouver. We carry out our activities in 12 countries.

The CTC is a federal Crown corporation wholly owned by the Government of Canada. It is overseen by a board of directors. It is accountable to Parliament through the Department of Industry. The CTC is a Crown corporation established under Schedule III of the Financial Administration Act which is evolving in a highly competitive international trade environment.

We are results driven. For every dollar invested in CTC core marketing campaigns in 2009, $101 was generated in tourism export revenues. This is new money brought into Canada's economy as a direct result of CTC's marketing investments.

Leading partnerships, we work with the whole tourism sector to raise Canada's competitiveness and showcase the country as a destination where travellers can create extraordinary personal experiences unique in the world. That's what our brand is all about.

The Canadian Tourism Commission revitalized Canada's tourism brand in 2006. It's the foundation for CTC's overall marketing strategy: to increase tourism visitation to Canada.

Canada now ranks, just this past week, as the number one country brand in the world, under a key study by FutureBrand, outperforming marketers from New Zealand and Australia. Results under this survey demonstrate that tourism is the strongest feature of the Canada brand.

Canada Keep Exploring is the tourism component of this strong brand and a powerful asset for Canada's tourism industry. That's important because 1 in 10 Canadians work in this industry.

CTC's leadership and partnerships are very much sought after in international markets, where the Canada tourism brand holds the greatest impact. Our vision is to inspire the world to explore Canada. CTC, our partners, and industry watchers, agree that sustainability of Canada's tourism industry requires an increasing number of international travellers.

CTC's third-party administered advertising tracking and conversion studies revealed that our measured campaigns in 2009 had the following attributable results. They generated an estimated $1.66 billion in tourism revenue for Canada's economy and contributed to the maintenance and/or creation of an estimated 15,284 jobs for the Canadian tourism industry.

CTC's 2011-2015 objectives are the following. The first is to increase demand for Canada's visitor economy. The second is to generate wealth for Canadians by focusing on both short-term and long-term potential for maximizing return on investments as our markets mature and evolve.

Third is to engage in effective tourism marketing, promotions, and market development activities supported by market research as we aim to support the achievement of Canada's national tourism revenue goal of $100 billion by 2015, and to focus on markets where Canada's tourism brand leads and yields the highest return on investment.

We're also focusing on concentrating on those geographic markets or consumer market segments where marketing at the national level--and that's Canada's tourism brand--leads to the highest potential for return on investment. Our focus is to convert high-yield customers by investing in appropriate communication channels based on those insights from customer segmentation research and a model we call the “path to purchase”, so we understand how customers purchase travel in Canada in particular.

Since the launch of Canada's revitalized tourism brand, Canada Keep Exploring, we've worked to build a bridge between the world's nature-based perceptions of Canada and the need to preserve a more diverse and real Canadian travel experience in a personal, emotional, relevant, and interactive way. We want to prove to prospective travellers that time spent in Canada will enrich their lives.

The CTC achieved significant success during the first two phases of our 2010 Winter Games strategy. The first phase was brand building before the games. The second was media relations and web content during the games. In many cases, our efforts far exceeded the initial targets set out in the 2007 Treasury Board submission. We are now in the final phase, which we call “harvesting the afterglow”, converting travel intentions into actual bookings in support of the ultimate goal of increasing export tourism revenues for Canada.

To provide additional support for Canada's tourism industry, through the Canadian Tourism Commission, the Government of Canada announced an investment in May 2010 of up to $8 million in marketing initiatives and programs to promote key Canadian tourism events internationally and to build upon investments in priority international markets.

In the afterglow of the most successful Winter Olympics and Paralympic Games to date, to keep the tourism momentum building internationally, and with our marketing strategy now in that conversion phase, it's acknowledged that CTC is well positioned to use this investment to generate increased tourism revenues for Canada. That is our objective.

This marketing investment will allow the CTC to better take advantage of the increased awareness of Canada as a tourism destination resulting from the 2010 Winter Games by seizing the opportunity presented under the approved destination status with China and accelerating Canada's tourism development in emerging economies of India and Brazil, economies that are leading the global economic recovery. There is no greater opportunity before the Canadian tourism industry now than that opportunity in China.

The breakdown of our expenditures is as follows. Of the $8 million, $3 million has been invested in China. This $3 million allows us to invest into a direct consumer marketing campaign for the first time. Prior to ADS, neither the CTC nor Canada was allowed to do any consumer marketing. So this investment will help us position Canada as a premier tourism destination for that country for the first time.

Approximately $5 million will be invested in increasing phase three of our Olympic Games strategy itself. The majority of this is to convert the customer interest the games created into actual conversion, by which we mean getting people from the interest level in Canada that the games produced to actually come and visit Canada. Of that, $3.3 million is for leisure conversion, a direct consumer marketing campaign with partners from across Canada, and $500,000 is in the global meetings and convention industry to help position Canada as a leading global meeting and convention destination.

The final $1.2 million will be invested in India and Brazil. These are two emerging markets for us. With this investment from Canada's economic action plan, we'll be able to enter these markets for the first time. They're showing some tremendous promise and some double-digit gains in travellers from those countries. So this will allow us to increase the investment there and to create and stimulate demand from those countries.

I would like to stop now and open the floor to some questions, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Klassen.

We'll have about an hour and 20 minutes of questions and comments from members of this committee, beginning with Mr. Rodriguez.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Ms. Beauchamp, Mr. Klassen, welcome and thank you for being here. I would like to thank you for your presentation, which was highly informative with respect to your organization. In one sense, it was interesting, but at the same time, it in no way explains how you would qualify for the Marquee Tourism Events Program.

Can you enlighten me in that regard? What qualifies you to receive $8 million under that program?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

The Government of Canada invested the $8 million in the Canadian Tourism Commission post the Olympic Games. Their focus was really on leveraging the games themselves and investing in the Canadian Tourism Commission, with $8 million to help us support what I call the “harvest the afterglow” program.

We'd demonstrated a fairly good return on investment with our Canada economic action plan investment dollars prior to that, and the government invested in that, hoping for the same types of gains.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I understand, but the money was paid out under a specific program earmarked for marquee tourism events. In this case, we discovered to our surprise, through witnesses—because this was not announced—that nowhere in the criteria or plans is there any mention made of the $8 million you received. I would therefore like to know what qualifies you to receive $8 million under this specific program.

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

Again, the Government of Canada invested $8 million in the tourism industry itself. I think the understanding was that there was great potential. I think the Government of Canada was focused and understood the potential that an investment with the Canadian Tourism Commission would create for marketing Canada as a whole, with the understanding that our investments in China, in new markets like India and Brazil, in the meetings and incentive and the availability for us to convert travellers to come to Canada would raise the tide for all products, all destinations in Canada.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Did you ask for the money, or did the government come to you, at one point, saying that it had $8 million for you under this program?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

We've received a variety of types of funding from the government itself. We have, of course, our base funding. We had some Olympic money.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

But did you ask for that $8 million?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

It was an investment in the Canadian Tourism Commission itself. We have lots of ideas for the government to invest in the Canadian Tourism Commission--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I understand that, but did you--

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

--and that idea must have come from that investment.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I'm just curious to know, will you present that project? Did you request the money? Do you have something to prove that you applied to the program? Did you ask for that money, or did it just come and the government said they'd give you that $8 million and not give it to other festivals, for example?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

We didn't apply for any pool of funding, but we do often present the government with opportunities to invest in the Canadian tourism industry.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Okay. In this case you didn't request this; it was given to you. But you knew other festivals, like FrancoFolies in Montreal or other events in Toronto, were cancelled for no basic reason. They were cancelled and $8 million of that money was transferred to you instead of being used in events that qualified--that qualified the year before and would have qualified the second year.

Did you ever think of trying to help those events that lost the money? Did you feel there was a link between you and them, the fact that they didn't get the money, but the money was transferred to you, or was there no link there for you?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

The specific funding for us of any particular event in Canada or any particular destination is outside of our mandate. So that wouldn't have come to our heads to do that.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Is it common that you receive money unexpectedly from somewhere? At the beginning of the program...I don't think you planned to receive $8 million from this program. Does that happen regularly, that you get money from different programs because they don't use it all?

3:40 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

The stimulus investments the government made we received in advance. In 2009 we received some investment from Canada's economic action plan. In 2010 we received some of that funding. We're delighted when we do receive the funding, and we're delighted that the government feels it worthy of investment with the Canadian Tourism Commission.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

When did you receive government approval? When did it tell you that you would be receiving this money?

3:45 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

I believe it was June of this year. And then we submitted a Treasury Board submission to support the investment for those funds.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

To your knowledge, had it already announced the fact that other festivals would not be receiving money?

3:45 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Marketing Strategy and Communications, Canadian Tourism Commission

Greg Klassen

I'm not sure at all where or the timelines of that.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you very much, Mr. Rodriguez. Thank you very much, Mr. Klassen.

Madame Lavallée.

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

First of all, Mr. Klassen, I am particularly pleased to see you here today. We often tell witnesses who appear that we're happy to see them, but I must say that when officials are defending an $8 million grant, such as the one you received, they should at least appear in person to do so. So, thank you very much, both of you, for being here.

I would like to discuss eligibility criteria. In fact, what I really want to address to say is that I don't want to address this with you because it is clear to me that you are not eligible. In the program information, it clearly states that Crown corporations are not eligible. And yet you are a Crown corporation. Also, as you said yourself, you did not send in a written application to the program. Furthermore, you do not have 250,000 participants, nor do you have a program that lasts three days. So, it seems to me we can pretty well ignore the eligibility criteria and move directly to your budget.

When I look at your budget, I see that you actually received quite a lot of money. In 2009-2010, for example, you received $77.4 million for operating expenses; $7.7 million of additional funding for the 2010 Olympic Games; $20 million through the Economic Action Plan in Budget 2009, and then you requested an additional grant from the Minister of Industry for I don't know what amount of money, in response to which you received $8 million. Furthermore, in your 2009 annual report, you say, on page 12, and I quote: “This annual report tells the story of an innovative marketing organization working in partnership with Canada's tourism industry [...]”.

When you found out that the Minister would be giving you $8 million under the Marquee Tourism Events Program, even though you knew full well that you that you had no right to participate in that program, that you were not eligible, and that cultural organizations like the FrancoFolies or the Festival Montreal en lumière would be losing a lot of money, and that the FrancoFolies might not even be in a position to balance their budget, did you not have the sense that, rather than working in partnership with Canada's tourism industry, you were in fact competing with Canada's tourism industry? Did you not have the impression that you were actually competing with that industry and that some of your partners might abandon you at some point?