Evidence of meeting #7 for Canadian Heritage in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was media.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Bouchard  President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number seven of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, September 22, 2025, the committee is meeting for its study of CBC/Radio-Canada’s priorities.

We have with us today, from CBC/Radio-Canada, Madame Marie-Philippe Bouchard, president and chief executive officer.

Thank you for being with us today. We are getting started about 10 minutes late because we had a vote in the House of Commons. I'm not sure if your schedule permits it, but we'd love to have you stay for an extra 10 minutes afterwards. Thank you very much.

With that, we're ready to get started.

You have five minutes, Madame Bouchard, to give us some opening remarks.

Marie-Philippe Bouchard President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Madam Chair and members, I welcome the opportunity to meet with you again, this time as president and CEO of CBC/Radio-Canada. It has been a busy 11 months.

When I last met with you, I said CBC/Radio-Canada needed to be a listening organization, that I wanted to take the time to listen to employees, to stakeholders and to Canadians, the users and the non-users of our services. That’s what I have been doing, across the country. What I’ve heard is reflected in the new strategic plan. We’ll be sharing that with Canadians at our annual public meeting on October 28, but I think it would be helpful to share the details with you today.

We all know the challenges facing Canadians today: economic and trade pressures; the hollowing out of local news by global digital platforms that now capture 92% of digital ad revenue in Canada, the revenue that once sustained a diverse news ecosystem of community newspapers, radio, even television, all across the country; and the continued rise of polarization and the difficulty in knowing what information is accurate.

What I've heard is that a public broadcaster, serving all Canadians with relevant and reliable news and supporting Canadian culture, is more important than ever. But people expect more from us. In this environment, CBC/Radio-Canada should be a national public service, helping to bring Canadians together and supporting democracy and the media ecosystem.

To support this public service role, our strategic plan has three pillars: proximity, digital agility and bringing people together.

The first pillar, proximity, means increasing our connections by being present in more communities and offering content that is trusted and also engages those who currently may not use or value what we offer. We also need to be a better collaborator with private and community media to help support a healthy media ecosystem.

Our second pillar, digital agility, means ensuring that our content is easily available on whatever digital platforms Canadians are using, and using technologies like artificial intelligence for the public good.

The last pillar is bringing people together. That means finding ways to build understanding by creating opportunities for shared Canadian experiences.

We are building on a very strong foundation. Our extensive network of journalists spans 90 locations from west to east and across the north, and in seven foreign bureaus, providing news and information trusted by Canadians.

Our commitment is to homegrown stories. We are the largest single investor supporting the creation of original content by Canadian independent producers. We have the most popular radio shows and podcasts in the country, and digital services used by 21 million Canadians each month.

This year, we've been able to add journalists to over 20 communities in every region of the country, providing a local service to communities that have never had a local CBC or Radio-Canada service and sharing their perspectives with the country.

Through our collab program, we are partnering with local public libraries in more than 250 communities. There, we’re offering programs tailored to what the community wants from us. Sometimes it's workshops on video production or how to make a podcast. Sometimes it's sessions on spotting fake news or recording television and radio programs with a community audience. That’s also proximity.

Finally, we’ll keep listening to Canadians. We’ll listen, and we’ll adapt, so that we can increase the public value created for their benefit.

Thank you for your time.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

That was even less than five minutes. Thank you very much.

We'll now start with questions from Mrs. Thomas with the Conservatives.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you.

Ms. Bouchard, I'm sure you're familiar with Travis Dhanraj, of course. He worked for the CBC as the host of the show Canada Tonight. He aimed to give multiple voices and perspectives an opportunity to share on his show. Unfortunately, due to the culture that was created within CBC's workplace, he was forced to resign. In his resignation letter, he described CBC's workplace as facilitating a culture of “retaliation, exclusion, and psychological harm.”

How do you respond to these allegations?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

As you know, Mr. Dhanraj has filed a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal. Unfortunately, I am limited in the comments I can make, because we are going to hear the evidence at that tribunal.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I'll just set the record straight right here. At this committee, you do have the ability to be open and honest. Everything you say here is, of course, kept in confidence. It's not usable in court.

I would be curious as to how you would respond to that.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

This is not my interpretation of my responsibility. We are in a court litigation or quasi-judicial tribunal litigation. With respect to that process, I will reserve my comments.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Is it true that there's a culture of toxicity at the CBC?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

That's not what I've experienced. You may know that I worked with the CBC prior to coming back as the CEO. I worked there for almost 30 years. I was away for 10 years, and since I've been back, I've been travelling and meeting with a lot of our employees and a lot of stakeholders. I have not witnessed what you describe as a culture of toxicity.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Those were the words of a former employee, actually; those are Travis Dhanraj's words, not my own. He would speak from his experience there.

I'm curious. Have you looked into his case at all since becoming CEO? You have had 11 months to do so.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

Again, I cannot comment on his specific case.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I'm not asking you to comment on the specific case; I'm simply asking you if you have looked into it. Have you looked into his complaints and his concerns?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

There are people in the organization who are charged with doing that, and I trust that they have.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Okay. As CEO, you have not, but you have simply allowed others to do that work for you.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

As is natural in a large organization, I don't actually double up on everybody's responsibilities.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Ms. Bouchard, as is natural in any organization, the buck stops with the CEO—the person at the top. They are the person responsible for cultural formation, and the culture at the CBC, according to Mr. Dhanraj, is one of toxicity. It's one where there is “retaliation, exclusion, and psychological harm” being done to employees. You're telling me that doesn't concern you enough to dig into that on your own. You're telling me that you simply stepped aside and allowed others to deal with that.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

I would tell you that we conduct surveys on a regular basis of the work culture and the employees' perception. One individual's claims do not make a whole organization's culture. What I have as evidence, first of all, is my own experience in the organization in the last 10 months but also the responses to surveys that we conduct regularly with our employees that describe their sense of pride and their sense of fairness in the organization, and those surveys show that the sentiment is widely positive.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Are those surveys anonymous?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Excellent.

In a leaked phone call, Mr. Dhanraj asked the CBC management why they, the CBC, can't get interviews with Conservatives. The CBC management replied vaguely, saying, “Well, you know why.”

I'm curious. In your estimation, why are Conservatives not welcome at the CBC?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

I would say Conservatives are quite welcome at the CBC. In fact, they are interviewed regularly.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Give me examples of the last five Conservatives who were interviewed on a show within the last two weeks, anywhere within the CBC.

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

I can't answer that. I can get back to you and give you more detail. I don't watch and listen to everything we broadcast on a continuous basis. If you would like, I will provide those numbers.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Which show offered by the CBC do you think is most fair—offers the most diverse views—in terms of news coverage?

3:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Marie-Philippe Bouchard

Well, all of our shows, especially in the news area, are governed by the same journalistic standards and practices. I would say—