Evidence of meeting #24 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was recycling.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chelsea M. Rochman  Assistant Professor, University of Toronto, As an Individual
George Roter  Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall
Bob Masterson  President and Chief Executive Officer, Chemistry Industry Association of Canada
John Galt  President and Chief Executive Officer, Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Sophie Langlois-Blouin  Vice-President, Operational Performance, RECYC-QUÉBEC
Elena Mantagaris  Vice-President, Plastics Division, Chemistry Industry Association of Canada
Usman Valiante  Technical Advisor, Canada Plastics Pact

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I now call to order meeting number 24 of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, and our first order of business is to welcome our new clerk, Ms. Angela Marie Crandall. I would also like to welcome a great poet, Mr. Bachrach, who read us his poem about Mr. Bittle as part of this committee's sound check tradition.

As you know, this is our first meeting on the single-use plastic items study, but first I would like to ask that someone move the adoption of the steering committee report. Indeed, everything that follows is anchored in that report, if it is approved.

I saw two raised hands.

Mr. Bittle, you have the floor.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a very brief point of order, after which I will turn it over to Mr. Longfield to move the report, if that's why he's raising his hand.

Before we get started, I wanted to briefly address a mistake made by our office. This morning the steering committee motion was shared with parliamentary officials and other exempt staff. This was done to ensure that we had the appropriate departmental officials scheduled to respond to the requirements of the steering committee motion, including for our meeting on Wednesday, in the event it was adopted. This was an error, and I've reminded staff that the steering committee motions are confidential until passed.

As parliamentary secretary, I'm accountable, and I apologize to members of the committee for this error. I've spoken to the staff and they have apologized to me for this error, and I apologize to the committee. I want to assure you that this won't happen again.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you, Mr. Bittle.

Go ahead, Mr. Longfield.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Lloyd Longfield Liberal Guelph, ON

Thanks, Mr. Bittle, for the clarification, but I would move that we accept the report.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is it unanimous?

3:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Yes, and so is accepting the apology.

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay. That allows us to move forward with the first meeting of our plastics study.

I see some witnesses who are familiar to us. They've been here recently, so they, and I imagine all the other witnesses, know the routine. We ask you to remain on mute until it is your turn to speak. That's essentially it. It's pretty much common sense, but it's worth mentioning.

Of course, you can speak in either official language and you have three options to listen—the floor feed, the English interpretation and the French interpretation.

We have with us today Dr. Chelsea Rochman from the University of Toronto. From Canada Plastics Pact, we have George Roter and Usman Valiante. From the Chemistry Industry Association of Canada, we have Mr. Masterson, who is familiar to us, and Ms. Elena Mantagaris, who is also familiar to us. From Husky Injection Molding Systems, we have Mr. John Galt. Finally, from RECYC-QUÉBEC, we have Madame Sophie Langlois-Blouin.

Each group of witnesses has five minutes to present. We should be able to get three rounds in. If not, if it's a question of another five minutes, which I don't anticipate it will be, we'll just go to 5:35 or 5:40 at the latest. However, I don't think that will be a problem. I think we'll finish on time.

We'll start with Dr. Rochman for five minutes, please.

3:30 p.m.

Dr. Chelsea M. Rochman Assistant Professor, University of Toronto, As an Individual

Thank you so much for inviting me to present to this committee. I'm thrilled to have the opportunity to share my expertise and facilitate the use of scientific evidence in forming policy.

My name is Dr. Chelsea Rochman. I'm a professor in ecology at the University of Toronto. My research program is globally known for work on method development, contamination of microplastics in the environment, exposure to wildlife and humans, and ecological effects. We study plastic debris across the world, including locally in the Great Lakes, at the IISD Experimental Lakes Area, and in the Canadian Arctic.

Currently I am the scientific delegate to Canada for the UNE working group on plastic pollution. I'm also advising ECCC on the addition of plastic as a subindicator of Great Lakes health under the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement. I'm leading an international working group in California to advise on a monitoring method and a threshold for risk in both wildlife and humans relevant to microplastics.

Today I want to speak specifically to plastic waste and single-use plastic items, followed by commenting on the negative consequences of plastic pollution in general.

In a recent study, we estimated that 24 million to 34 million tonnes of plastic waste was emitted into aquatic ecosystems in 2020. If we continue business as usual, that number may triple by 2030. There's no time to waste. Unless growth in plastic production and use is halted, a fundamental transformation of the plastic economy is essential. We need to shift to a circular economy, where end-of-life plastic products are valued rather than turned to waste. Because of this, I support goals under the Canada-wide strategy on zero plastic waste and the proposal to manage plastics under CEPA. I was pleased to see Canada adopt a truly integrated approach with policies relevant to managing single-use plastics, establishing performance standards and ensuring end-of-life responsibility.

Each of these pathways is important, including the reduction in our reliance on unnecessary single-use plastics in order to bend our linear plastic economy toward a more circular one. Reducing single-use plastics that are common environmental pollutants, that are not reusable or recyclable and that have a substitution, is an important part of this transition. I applaud the decision to ban certain single-use plastics as early as this year.

I also agree with each item on the list. This is because these items are commonly found in the environment, are not essential, and do not have a practically sustainable end of life. I also suggest that we think critically about how to define “plastic” under this regulation. If compostable or biodegradable plastics are to be considered for exemption, they need to be truly compostable beyond an industrial compost facility, and/or biodegradable in a relatively short time scale in the environment, meaning less than six months. To the best of my knowledge, there are no products currently on the market that meet these criteria.

I want to spend my last minutes discussing the effects of plastic once it becomes pollution.

My research mainly focuses on the small stuff. The term “microplastic” incorporates a large diversity of plastic types, including degraded bits of larger plastic products, such as single-use items. My research demonstrates that microplastics are ubiquitous in the environment, including in our Arctic and in seafood and drinking water extracted from the Great Lakes.

My research also demonstrates that microplastics can be toxic to fish and invertebrates. There have been many studies testing the effects of microplastics on organisms. Although results are variable, there's irrefutable evidence that microplastics can impact organisms at concentrations that are already present in some places in the environment. Although we do not yet fully understand how they affect human health, we know that we are exposed, and further research is necessary.

When it comes to large plastic debris, we have no doubt there is an impact on wildlife. Studies report contamination via entanglement or ingestion in hundreds of species. This contamination can lead to laceration of tissues, death of an individual, declines in population size and changes in community assemblages. The weight of evidence for how plastics impact wildlife once it becomes debris in the environment suggests that the time to act is now.

As you know, there's no one-size-fits-all solution. Instead, we need a tool box of solutions that include those that help us build a circular economy. One of these is the reduction of unnecessary single-use plastics. In Canada, we have demonstrated leadership in this space, and I thank you. We should continue by building a circular economy, reducing emissions of plastics into our environment, and cleaning up what has become pollution.

I envision diverse policies working in tandem, and these should include those currently on the table, which include expanded and harmonized EPR, or extended producer responsibility; the implementation of standards that increase the use of recycled content in new products; and the elimination of problematic single-use plastics.

I want to thank you again for this opportunity, and I'd be really happy to answer any questions today or in the future.

Thank you.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you very much, Dr. Rochman.

We'll go Mr. Roter, who will be speaking on behalf of the Canada Plastics Pact.

3:35 p.m.

George Roter Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

Thank you so much to the honourable members for inviting us as witnesses today.

I’m pleased to join you as managing director of the Canada Plastics Pact, and I’m joined by my colleague Usman Valiante.

The Canada Plastics Pact is tackling plastic waste and pollution at source. We're a member of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation’s Global Plastics Pact network and an independent initiative of The Natural Step Canada, a national charity with 25 years of experience in fostering a strong and inclusive economy that thrives within nature’s limits.

3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

I apologize for interrupting you, Mr. Roter.

Mr. Chair, I am not receiving the interpretation because the sound quality is not good.

Is Mr. Roter's microphone in the right place?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Could the clerk check with the interpreters to see if there is a problem?

If I understand correctly, you can't hear anything, Ms. Pauzé. There was no interpretation. Is that correct?

3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

That's right. The interpreter said that the sound quality was not good enough for him to be able to interpret what Mr. Roter was saying. I don't know if the microphone's position should be adjusted.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Possibly.

Mr. Roter, you have the mike that was sent to you by the committee, I would imagine.

3:35 p.m.

Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

George Roter

Yes. I'm not sure if this is good enough so that everybody can hear me just fine.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Sometimes it helps if you raise the mike a bit, as opposed to lowering it.

Madam Clerk, is that better?

3:35 p.m.

Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

George Roter

Is the audio okay?

3:35 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Angela Crandall

They're saying that the sound is very muffled.

3:35 p.m.

Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

George Roter

Is this better?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, a little bit.

3:35 p.m.

The Clerk

Is it not a House of Commons headset, Mr. Roter?

3:35 p.m.

Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

George Roter

No, it's not, but I tested this last week with the group, and they said it was just fine. I can switch headsets if you would like.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That would be better. Why don't you do that?

3:40 p.m.

Managing Director, Canada Plastics Pact

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

In the meantime, we'll go to Mr. Masterson. Then we'll come back to you, Mr. Roter.

Mr. Masterson, go ahead, please, for five minutes.