Evidence of meeting #85 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alexandre Lillo  Law Professor, Université du Québec à Montréal, As an Individual
Jesse Zeman  Executive Director, B.C. Wildlife Federation
Luxmy Begum  Founder, The EcoAmbassador
Wyatt Petryshen  Science Policy Advisor, Wildsight
Robert Sopuck  Former Member of Parliament, As an Individual
Andrew Stegemann  Former National Director, Our Living Waters, As an Individual
Deborah Curran  Executive Director, Canadian Environmental Law Association
David O'Connor  Project Manager, Invasive Species, Regional Environmental Council of Estrie

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We have to vote. I think we have to vote.

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Oh, we have to vote. I guess we'll see, then.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's what I was saying. We'll take it one step at a time.

Go ahead.

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

We're in uncharted, unnavigable waters.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

These are unnavigable waters, yes.

12:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Is the question “shall the ruling of the chair be sustained?”?

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Let's be clear on this: Mr. Mazier is challenging. The question is, I guess, whether you agree with Mr. Mazier, and you don't. With regard to the speaking order, do you agree with Mr. Mazier?

(Ruling of the chair sustained)

We go back to Mr. van Koeverden.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Once again the Conservatives have decided to disrupt this study. That's twice in two hours. They might not care about the perspectives of experts, since the expertise of these scientists doesn't necessarily align with the Conservative oil-and-gas-fuelled misinformation campaign they continue to perpetuate.

12:50 p.m.

Former Member of Parliament, As an Individual

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Mr. Sopuck, can you turn off your mike?

12:50 p.m.

Former Member of Parliament, As an Individual

Robert Sopuck

Yes; I'm sorry.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Thank you.

I'll start over.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Once again, the Conservatives have decided to disrupt this study. That's twice in two hours. They might not care about the perspectives of experts, since the expertise of these scientists does not align with the Conservative oil-and-gas-fuelled misinformation campaign they continue to perpetuate.

These disruptions are not only unproductive, undemocratic and intentionally theatrical; they're also rude to our witnesses and a complete waste of our resources as a committee and of the valuable time of our expert panellists. This is actually an abuse of our privileges and rights as elected people. We have an obligation to utilize these privileges in an ethical and democratic manner. This committee is not your personal theatre. Shame on you.

For that reason—

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. van Koeverden, there is a point of order.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

It's very theatrical, the way he's speaking about the theatrics, which I find a little bit ironic.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's not a point of order. Mr. van Koeverden, you may continue.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

For that reason, I implore my Conservative colleagues to respect this committee, and I move to—

I don't care about the clip, Dan.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

You don't care again about the clip. I called you out on that the last time—

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We have a point of order.

There has to be a point of order or we go back to Mr. van Koeverden.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Obviously, it is well within our rights. They keep on challenging us as far as—

The point of order is that it's well within our rights.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

This is debate.

Is Mr. van Koeverden using unparliamentary language?

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I don't know.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That would be a point of order, but that's not what you're suggesting.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I haven't said that. He isn't saying anything relevant.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Well, that's the committee.

Anyway, go ahead.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

I'll say it again: This committee is not your personal theatre. Shame on you.

For that reason, I implore my Conservative colleagues to respect this committee—