Evidence of meeting #2 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nancy Holmes  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

I call this meeting to order. This is meeting number 2 of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics.

You have an agenda in front of you, colleagues, and it has two items on it. We're going to deal with them in the order they're listed.

Item 1 is the first report of your subcommittee on agenda and procedure, and it contains three paragraphs. For your benefit I would like to flesh out some of the information that was required in order for us, as a subcommittee, to make this report for you.

You will notice that item 1 indicates that the recommendation of the subcommittee is that this committee meet on Monday afternoons and/or evenings. The reason for this--and we've discussed this at the organizational meeting--is that rule 115 of the Standing Orders provides that this committee cannot meet at the same time as the legislative committee dealing with Bill C-2, the accountability bill, because it involves either the same subject matter or the same agencies. In order to accommodate that rule, we either don't have any meetings or we change the meeting dates. So the subcommittee went through a number of dates and we ruled out Thursday afternoon. Really, the only time we were left with was Monday.

We're talking about the period of time that we're going to sit until Bill C-2 completes its work. Once Bill C-2 completes its work, we will then go back to the times and slots that the whips have agreed to, unless we as a committee decide we're going to change. Of course, I have no information in terms of the future as to how long it will take the legislative committee to finish its work and report. How long it takes to go through the House is irrelevant, as long as the legislative committee has finished its work. In any event, our best guess would be that it would take us to the adjournment.

So when we put Monday afternoons and/or evenings, the suggestion I made was that we could meet for three hours--from 3:30 to 6:30--and not have a working supper, which would give us three hours instead of four, or we could meet from 3:30 to 7:30 with a working supper, which would give us four hours a week, which we would have if we were going to have our two regularly scheduled meetings. That's not part of the motion. I just wanted to give you the background of it, because as we deal with the points, we can discuss those issues.

The subcommittee felt that in the time remaining between now and the June adjournment, it would be a good idea for all, but in particular the new members, myself included, to get the four commissioners or the four people who report to this committee to come and brief us on their departments and their wish lists, I guess is the way I would put it. In that regard, if the committee sees fit to do that, I can report that our clerk has lined everybody up, more or less, so we would definitely be able to have meetings for the next four Mondays with those four commissioners.

Paragraph 3...the Registrar of Lobbyists also reports to this committee. I guess that's the fourth commissioner--I won't call him a commissioner, I'll call him a registrar. It was recommended that we invite the Registrar of Lobbyists to appear before the committee and do the same thing as the three commissioners.

So that is the first unanimous report of the subcommittee. Are there any questions? Would someone like to move it, and then we can discuss it?

Mr. Zed will move it.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

So we're saying it will start next Monday, May 22?

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

No, May 29. Monday, May 22, is a holiday.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

That's fine. That's the day I planned something in my riding, so I was thinking...because of the weekend we have off. That's why I wondered if we could have it the week after, or is it going to be starting that week?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Everybody is going to have a problem because initially we thought we would be sitting on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons. So given that we're not, the best we can do is the Monday afternoon idea, if the committee adopts it. Given your scheduling conflict, I guess you would have to miss that particular meeting, if you can't make it. We could arrange for a substitute, or whatever.

Are there any other questions?

Mr. Stanton.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Bruce Stanton Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I have a question in terms of three or four hours. I haven't seen how that actually ends up. If you take time for supper and so on, does that kill a whole hour? Is it felt that we need four hours of proceedings to accomplish what is in front of us between now and the adjournment? What works better there? It doesn't really matter to me. I'd be probably favouring the three hours straight and then that gets it done with and that allows the members to get on with whatever events or other activities they need to get to. But if it's felt that we need that four hours or the extra half hour that might afford, then that would be worth knowing.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

I guess the answer to the question would be that when I say a working supper, I mean a working supper. Witnesses would continue, questioning would continue, and members would get up and get their meal as an opportunity presented itself, but we would continue to work through for the four hours. There's no magic to that. It's just that if we meet Tuesday and Thursday for two hours each, that equals four hours. We can always fill two hours, so I don't see why we can't fill four hours. But if we're only going to have one commissioner per meeting, we could easily go with three hours and work right through the three hours. I'm sure one commissioner and all questions could easily be done within the three-hour period. So I guess that's how I would respond to that.

Mr. Wallace.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

My question to the subcommittee, since we're looking at three hours, really.... I can't remember, was it was the Thursday afternoon that was in conflict or the Tuesday afternoon that was in conflict?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Tuesday afternoon is the conflict.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Did the committee discuss that we just meet for two hours for this until the end of June and just cancel the Tuesday meeting and have our Thursday slots?

The difficulty for me, and I'm sure for everybody, is that as you get your House duty all lined up and you have trades and all that stuff, now we have to do it again. Based on what you've told me in terms of what the agenda items are for the next little while, they don't seem that terribly onerous and controversial, so I don't know why we wouldn't be able to do the work in one slot a week at two hours. There's no law saying we can't do that, is there?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

None whatsoever. There's a general expression of dislike for Thursday afternoon. Certainly it was voiced at the subcommittee, and that's been my experience, but that doesn't mean we cannot meet.

What I would not like to see is us schedule a meeting with these commissioners, who would then bring themselves, have an excellent preparation, bring their staff, be ready for questions, and maybe we have three or four members here, which in my view is an insult to the witnesses.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I'm beginning to feel that Thursday night is because people try to get out of here to go home.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Yes, that's the reason.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Okay. In our case, on this side, we're not doing that, so that wasn't part of my consideration.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

But some of the people on your side--

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

If you check Fridays, we've got pretty good attendance.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Mr. Wallace, some of the people on your side did express that concern.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I didn't actually speak for everybody.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Of course. That's why we're having a full meeting.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Okay. I'll listen to the discussion, but I'm satisfied with two hours on Thursday instead of screwing up the schedule. And on points two and three, I'd be happy to see the commissioners as the first order of business.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

Okay.

Are there any other comments?

Mr. Dhaliwal.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

I personally think that if we have to decide, instead of changing again and again, we should just go at it now. If we say Mondays, then go at it now and finish it off.

I think we all have duties and scheduled things, on Thursdays, Wednesdays, Tuesdays, or Mondays, but I think we could move that motion if you wish.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

The motion is moved. I'm just inquiring about further discussion.

Is there any further discussion on the motion to adopt the first report?

Madame.

3:40 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

For your information, further to our last meeting, the clerk ultimately decided not to provide us with a legal opinion on Standing Order 115.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Tom Wappel

That's correct, and the reason is that the clerk is not a lawyer. I've spoken personally to Ms. Lajoie and she has advised me that my interpretation of Standing Order 115 is correct.