There may be some kind of an impression that we're not dealing with the criminal aspects of this, but as far as I know, that has not been a decided fact by this committee at this point, and in fact we're going to be hearing from the Department of Justice. So as part and parcel of our deliberations, we may decide to leave the criminal aspects or we may not, after we hear all the evidence. So I don't want people to think that we have somehow already predetermined that we're not going to be examining the criminal aspects of this. We may choose to do that, but we have not yet done so.
I have two people left: Mr. Van Kesteren and Madame Lavallée.
Mr. Van Kesteren.