Evidence of meeting #14 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Lavoie  As an Individual
François Martin  As an Individual
Erica Pereira  Committee Clerk, , House of Commons

5:25 p.m.

As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Did you tell her how things were going?

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Is what you told her consistent with what she wrote—

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

—or with what you're saying today?

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As an Individual

François Martin

It's consistent with what I'm telling you today. It's highly novelized. Ms. Cameron is very big on “novelizing”.

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I don't call that novelizing. When you regularly talk about envelopes full of cash, that's not a novel.

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As an Individual

François Martin

It's fiction.

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

From what you say, you went to pick up an envelope only once. That's what you told her.

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As an Individual

François Martin

That happened once to me. I don't know whether there were other individuals—

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That's what you told Stevie Cameron.

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As an Individual

François Martin

Yes, like I told her that I had a petty cash, that I had the $1,500 and that I had also gone to pick up an envelope at Fred Doucet's office, at one point, that looked a lot like the first envelope that I had—

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

You must have been very surprised when you read what she wrote about what you had told her.

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

She simply lied, didn't she?

5:25 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

In any case, she changed the story, she changed my—

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

All right. That's what I wanted to know. Thank you.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Martin, when the committee proposed its witness list in December, the process we went through was to communicate with each of the recommended witnesses.

Do you recall telephone conversations with an assistant clerk? Her name is Julia. Do you remember speaking to Julia?

5:25 p.m.

As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Julia is an assistant clerk and her job is basically to find out your availability and times when you wouldn't be available--I know you do some travelling, etc.-- and she makes notes. She makes very detailed notes, as a matter of fact.

On review of those notes, I see that the first time she contacted you, you told her that you did not want to come, that you would not come, in fact. Is that right?

5:25 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

Yes, because I was very busy; it was the end of the year.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Also in her notes was a quotation from you that you were very disgusted with what was going on at 24 Sussex and you didn't want to even talk about it. That's correct, isn't it?

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As an Individual

François Martin

I said “disgusted”?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You were disgusted with what was going on at 24 Sussex. You told her that.