Evidence of meeting #14 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Lavoie  As an Individual
François Martin  As an Individual
Erica Pereira  Committee Clerk, , House of Commons

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

You never had any other dealings with cash flowing through Mr. Mulroney and Rick Morgan.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

Did you ever see the following people, whom I am going to name, at 24 Sussex Drive? I will start saying and you can say yes or no.

Gerry Doucet.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember. I'm sorry, I don't remember.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

How about Mr. Karlheinz Schreiber?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember either. I'm sorry. It's been years.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

How about Frank Moores?

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

I don't remember. Perhaps.

Look, I kept my agendas and the menus I created for the meetings, the business dinners and the formal dinners at 24 Sussex Drive. I could submit the documents I have to you, but I don't exactly remember the names of the individuals.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

I would appreciate, Mr. Chair, if Mr. Martin could hand over those records to us here.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Has it been established exactly what? If we're going to--

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

Those records of the people when he was organizing those dinners.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You will have to be specific about a period of time. He was there for four years, I think. Let's be reasonable. What are you looking for?

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

It's that he go through his records and tell me whether they contain names of some of the people I said were seen at 24 Sussex Drive then.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Is that clear enough to ask the witness? Is it with regard to specific functions? There are political and non-political people, there are visitors.... I mean—

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC

As visitors.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

A point of order.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes, Mr. Thibault. Maybe you can help us out.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Perhaps I could recommend that we not act on this immediately. As a committee, in the future we can decide what documents we need to ask people for. We can have that discussion at that time.

5:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

All right. That sounds like a good approach.

Let's move on now.

Mr. Ménard.

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Martin, you say that Fred Doucet gave you an envelope once, but that you didn't know what it contained.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

So Mr. Doucet didn't give you any envelopes on a number of occasions.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

No, it happened once: I went up to his office to pick up that envelope.

5:10 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

And on one occasion, at Mrs. Mulroney's request, you went to convey an envelope that contained a $10,000 deposit.

5:10 p.m.

As an Individual

François Martin

That's correct.