Evidence of meeting #6 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.
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1 p.m.
Liberal
Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB
Why do you think Prime Minister Mulroney, in the last few days of being Prime Minister, would call you to go to Harrington Lake?
1 p.m.
As an Individual
I thought I had explained this. The reason for the meeting was that Fred Doucet asked me whether I would be prepared to help Brian Mulroney, because he was in financial trouble. Then Mr. Doucet arranged for the meeting and told me I would get a call. I got the call and there was a telephone number from the switchboard, or whatever, that a limousine was going to pick me up then if it was convenient. I said yes, so I was picked up. I didn't even know where Harrington Lake was. I was brought back as well.
1 p.m.
Liberal
Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB
So he saw you as a source of money for his problems.
Later in the affidavit, with a later time when Mr. Mulroney was at Harrington Lake, you were in certain difficulty in terms of remaining in Canada. You talked today about being a very political person. You saw that in 2005-06 Brian Mulroney had come back on the scene, that he was in great friendship with Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister. The two of them had been successful in being the new government in this country. And with that, you decided somehow to write a letter to explain your situation with Mr. Mulroney that would be considered by the present Prime Minister, Mr. Stephen Harper, and that somehow the two of them could make a deal by which you could overcome some of your judicial problems in terms of your remaining as a Canadian citizen.
Was that your impression?
1 p.m.
As an Individual
The impression was that I strongly believed when the Conservatives came back to power in 2006 that they would do now what they had been asking for, for 12 years, to track down the mess from these horrible Liberals, the vendetta, the witch hunt, and all the stuff that was done by the Liberals against Mr. Mulroney and me. I mean, the expectation is not wrong, when you look at history and you see how many scandals in the world decided election results in the future. If I had been Prime Minister and I had believed this, I would have haunted the Liberals for the next five years.
Then I found out the problem is with them. They don't want an inquiry.
1 p.m.
Liberal
Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB
With this, you were really disappointed in somebody who you thought had been your friend.
Mr. Elmer MacKay had helped with that letter. Yesterday, Mr. Schreiber, in the House we heard his son, Peter MacKay, mislead the House with his own age at the time he worked in Germany. I hope the record will be corrected today.
But when you had this relationship with Mr. Elmer MacKay and he worked as an intermediary between you and Mulroney and the present Prime Minister, you felt you'd really been done in, in terms of your friendship. Is that correct?
1 p.m.
Liberal
Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB
Today, when you appear before our committee, you see that in order for you to obtain your vision of justice, you hope that what we do as members of Parliament is to illuminate this to Canadians and to show your side of the story to our nation. Is that correct?
1 p.m.
As an Individual
Yes. I have recognized that all the scandals we had around Air India and a few others were all arranged by the Liberals and caused by the Liberals, and the Gomery.... I mean, when wrongdoing is going on, clean it up. I think, very much so, that this would have been.... When you look at this, you can find this in the letter very much what Mr. Harper promised, and why an independent director of prosecutions should be there, because these horrible Liberals.... I believed that because Mr. Mulroney wanted to finance my lawsuit in Alberta.... He spoke to my lawyer. There are many, many other stories. I will not bore you with this today. I believed, but then I felt betrayed--another huge lie.
I'm not hesitant to tell you what I told Mr. Mulroney. To make it very clear to everybody here in the country, I said to him in the letter, “...I was embarrassed when people...called you: 'Lying Brian'”.
Today, Mr. Mulroney--I have to tell you, Brian--if the lie itself looks for a proper label, it will choose your face and your name.
Do you want to hear any more on that?
1:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
Thank you, Mr. Schreiber.
On that light note, we're going to bring the proceedings to a conclusion. We have a lot of material, and we thank you for being forthright with the committee and for providing us with information.
Order, order, please. Quiet, please. We have to hear this.
Under the document under which we are meeting, the warrant, as you know, we require you until the committee formally advises you that you are no longer required for our proceedings. We certainly will require you to appear again on Thursday, December 6, at 11 a.m.
Do you know what, fellows? I've got to tell you that I'm trying to speak with the witness. You really have to give me some latitude.
1:05 p.m.
Liberal
1:05 p.m.
Conservative
Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON
Well, you're making the decisions on behalf of the committee.
1:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
We'll speak. We're going in camera, Mr. Wallace.
Mr. Schreiber, we will require you on Thursday, December 6. We are going to make every effort. Because of the volume of the documents, the members will have an opportunity to review them. When we go in camera they're going to determine how much time we will need, and we will give you a better timeline of what happens after Thursday as soon as we can.
1:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo
So at this time, thank you kindly to all honourable members.
Thank you, Mr. Schreiber and Mr. Auger.
I will suspend this meeting and we'll clear the room, please.
[Proceedings continue in camera]