Evidence of meeting #6 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was schreiber.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

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NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I'd bring a suitcase full of cash, I presume, and start sprinkling it around Ottawa and make some friends.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Well, that would be a great problem with the security guys. But you for sure would not get access immediately to a minister's office or to a Prime Minister to speak about your project. Will you agree with me on that?

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NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

In other words, maybe you could buy your way in.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, you need a lobbyist. It's very clear. What do think Fred Doucet is doing today?

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NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I'm going to split my time.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You have half the time left, Mr. Mulcair.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Merci, Monsieur le président.

I'm going to read just before the 1305 time stamp. There's a time stamp in the transcript of our last meeting, last week, and I'm going to read your answer:

Mr. Karlheinz Schreiber:

I have to correct something here. This is a complete misunderstanding, and I'm happy to explain this to you. All this nonsense you read quite often in the papers doesn't mean it is true. All the agreements were between the industrial companies and Government Consultants International. I was in the middle to organize the things and to watch the funds flow, because we had somebody who stole the money.

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As an Individual

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Could you please elaborate?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Mr. Pelossi , the trustee, stole $1.2 million or $1.3 million from that account, and I had to sue him. It was a very bad thing. This is why I'm in the whole IAL stuff.

I had recommended Mr. Pelossi as a trustee. Then I had to go back and say to my clients and friends that $1.3 million had been stolen. Listen a moment. Think about what your first thought would be: is that true, or is he involved? Is he so stupid that he recommended such a trustee? So I had no other choice than to lay a criminal case against Mr. Pelossi to prove to all of them that it was true.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

This is my next question, Mr. Chairman.

Can Mr. Schreiber tell us approximately when he was interviewed by the RCMP? By whom exactly, if possible? And regarding what subject matter.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Now I have to be very careful. On the Airbus matter, I was never interviewed by the RCMP.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

You have never been interviewed by the RCMP on the whole Airbus thing.

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As an Individual

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

That's very important information. Thank you.

One other question we have for you is getting back to the question that was asked to you last Thursday. Who, other than the ones we've already spoken about, are the people—there's a list of 10, apparently, from your accounts, from what was deposed in Germany—who have been the object of your largesse over the years? Are you willing to provide this committee with the names of all people, and all sums involved, who have received money from you over the years?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Again, I did not get this question right.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

This is a question that was asked at the same time last week while you were here, just after the 1305 time stamp. It was asked last Thursday. We're going to have time to meet again, but I did ask you that question specifically.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Perhaps you can repeat it.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Who else did you give money to, Mr. Schreiber?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Nobody.

Do you mean in Canada, or where, or what?

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

In Canada. There were no other politicians, no other senior officials?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you very much.

We're going to complete this now with Mr. Hubbard, for five minutes.

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Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I guess, Mr. Schreiber, we meet today under better circumstances. You had a better night and some time to get ready, and you come to us with so many documents that probably we'll have difficulty as members, in the next few days, to look at all the presentations you have made.

Mr. Schreiber, Harrington Lake has become a very important part of what I've asked about, and I was amused this morning to hear that in June 1993 you visited Harrington Lake, and a car came to pick you up. Whose car was it?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

The Prime Minister sent it to me.