Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for being here today. This is a fascinating discussion.
Mr. Giorno, I certainly agree that preserving the appearance of integrity is the same thing as maintaining integrity. That's fundamental.
It also seems to me that if we're creating laws, the laws have to be clear. If they're not clear, can they really be just?
I have incredible respect for the commissioner, but my concern when we're looking at this act is there are times when I look for clarity and I don't really know what it is. It seems it's a little loosey-goosey particularly when it comes to fundraising. When I asked the commissioner about gifts—and perhaps I'm in a different realm; I'm not a deputy minister, but I am offered baseball caps and cups. If that's buying my vote, well, I don't know. It all sits in a box. I don't mind announcing 30 dollars' worth of snow globes; it's not a problem to me. But when I ask about political fundraising, we don't really hear any clear answers on what the threshold is. I'm concerned. It's not that we're trying to make our jobs impossible. As you know, we live in the world of political money. That's what political parties live on but there has to be clear rules.
I'm asking for a sense of where the line is and how we divide it. Is it that difficult to do? I see in your brief you say that we should have clear rules. What would you suggest?