Evidence of meeting #41 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was halifax.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stella Lord  Co-Chair, Canadian Research Institute for the Advancement of Women, Consortium of Women's Organizations of Nova Scotia
Jim Gourlay  Affiliated Member, Magazines Canada
Robert McKelvie  Chairman, Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association
Jan Westcott  President and Chief Executive Officer, Spirits Canada / Association of Canadian Distillers
Suzanne Bona  Representative, Nova Scotia Home Builders' Association
Alex Arseneau  Executive Director, New Brunswick Non-Profit Housing Association
Fred Morley  Senior Vice-President and Chief Economist, Greater Halifax Partnership
Jody Dallaire  Coordinator, New Brunswick Child Care Coalition
William Maes  University Librarian, Canadian Association of Research Libraries
Carolyn Earle  Co-chair, Face of Poverty Consultation
Nick Busing  President and Chief Executive Officer, Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada
Jamie Ferguson  Chief Executive Officer, Sport Nova Scotia
Ross Creber  President, Direct Sellers Association of Canada
Riley Pye  Vice-President, Administration, J.D. Irving, Ltd.
Dan English  Chief Administrative Officer, Halifax Regional Municipality

October 24th, 2006 / 3 p.m.

Dan English Chief Administrative Officer, Halifax Regional Municipality

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm pleased to be here today on behalf of Mayor Peter Kelly, who was unable to attend this session.

Thank you for the opportunity to discuss Halifax Regional Municipality's current economic and financial situation and our growing relationship with the Government of Canada.

As a regional municipality, we have a rich history and culture. We are unique in many respects. We are Canada's largest municipality, covering more than 5,600 kilometres, an area larger than the province of Prince Edward Island.

Halifax is the business and financial capital of the Atlantic region. While it has roughly 40% of the population, it accounts for nearly half of the provincial GDP. The 5.3% unemployment rate is below provincial and national averages.

I wanted to take the opportunity today to talk to you about what we see as the fiscal imbalance, some of the initiatives HRM has under way, and our key needs as you begin to plan for the next federal budget.

The Council of the Federation recently argued that there is a vertical fiscal imbalance in the country, with the federal government having more fiscal resources than it requires relative to its spending responsibilities, and the provinces having the reverse. This situation has become even more difficult at the municipal level.

In a province such as Nova Scotia, the difficulties are compounded. While HRM is the fastest-growing municipality in the region, it is simply not large enough to function without strong links to the federal and provincial governments. Other major cities have the benefit of other types of taxation--an example is transfer of fuel taxes--and greater cost-sharing from their respective provincial governments; Halifax is not in that position. Greater federal investments in municipalities are much needed and much appreciated.

In order to ensure we are a continually progressive, responsive, and responsible organization, HRM has taken on many initiatives of strategic importance for our community: for a decade HRM has had one of the leading solid waste collection systems in the world; in partnership with the provincial and federal governments, we have undertaken the harbour solutions project.

Since 1999, HRM has decreased outstanding debt by 20%, exceeding the goals of our debt reduction plan. HRM has an A rating with Standard & Poor's and continues to adhere to our own multi-year financial strategy.

We continue to build on these successes through initiatives such as our recently adopted regional plan, which lays out an integrated approach over the next 25 years to development in a sustainable and environmentally friendly manner. It's estimated that the regional plan will have a financial benefit of approximately $250 million in cost avoidance over that time period.

We have recently undertaken a new municipal tax reform initiative. We also now have a cultural plan that establishes our mandate in this area and we are proud to have just begun the implementation of the region's first economic strategy.

As of last year, our council adopted a municipal vision for immigration in our community and an immigration action plan to guide our organization in being even more welcoming to all. We have as well undertaken a new infrastructure planning process to guide infrastructure investment within the region. Like many Canadian cities, HRM is striving to keep its aging infrastructure in adequate working condition.

Here are some considerations I would like to throw out as you consider the 2007-08 federal budget; I would urge you to consider them.

Regarding the 2014 Commonwealth Games, continued all-government support, both political and financial, will be key to our success.

With regard to infrastructure funding support, continued reinvestment in federal infrastructure funding programs such as the gas tax, revenue sharing, MRIF, CSIF, and strategic transit are of paramount importance to HRM and other Canadian cities. Without such funding, municipalities would not be able to make many of the investments that have been made to date in aging municipal infrastructure. However, much more work remains to be done.

Another thing we'd like you to consider is the Halifax Atlantic gateway support. The Halifax gateway accounts for $1 billion in wages each year. Greater investment, integration, and partnership are required to grow the gateway and to ensure it is recognized and promoted as the east coast logistics hub.

There is also the community energy project. There is a unique opportunity in HRM to make a significant impact on cleaner air, as well as to enhance energy security through the community energy project. Federal support to implement the project is imperative. To match the provincial commitment, $20 million in federal funding is required to bring this project and its substantial environmental, financial, and social benefits to fruition.

Federal funding for law enforcement is another important consideration. HRM continues to look forward to the federal funding for additional law enforcement officers for municipal police agencies that was announced in last year's federal budget.

As for the DND Standing Contingency Task Force, as the Department of National Defence continues to progress toward the establishment of a Standing Contingency Task Force, HRM will remain supportive and urge financial support to ensure its success.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Thank you, Mr. English.

We appreciate all your presentations very much—an excellent job.

We're going to move now to questions. We'll begin with Mike Savage. You have five minutes, sir.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Thank you, Chair.

I want to thank all the folks who presented. It was very good.

Jamie Ferguson, one of the things I get to talk about a lot across the country is that Nova Scotia is doing some good things in the area of health promotion. We were the first province to establish a department of health promotion and to take seriously the whole issue of the social determinants of health.

I know you've been involved in some neat projects at the school level. I'm thinking of the sport animator project. Is that something you could briefly talk about here?

3:10 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Sport Nova Scotia

Jamie Ferguson

The sport animator has been linked through the Department of Health Promotion and Protection to our after-school physical activity program. What that program involves is our going into communities to train high school students in the community to deliver after-school programs for children in grades four to six. It's geared towards children who are not already participating in sport.

We work at the school level, with the principals and the teachers, to try to identify and encourage those children who may not participate in sport at that time to get involved, with the goal being, over a 24-week period, that at the end of the program those children would feel comfortable, if they enjoyed a particular sport, in maybe signing up. More importantly, if they're out on their front lawn and there are some kids playing in their neighbourhood, they wouldn't be embarrassed or too shy to take part.

It's really geared towards giving them the very basic, fundamental skills. At the same time, it's providing some leadership skills for the high school students, so that you're creating the leadership piece of your community as well.

We're currently piloting one of those programs at one of the nine sites we're operating this year, where this high school leadership piece is going to be offered as a curriculum credit through the high school in efforts to expand the program.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

That's great. I think that's a project we should be looking at more nationally. I don't know whether other provinces are doing it, or copying it, or studying it.

3:10 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Sport Nova Scotia

Jamie Ferguson

We've had some meetings in about the last nine months to see whether we can....

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

You mentioned the 1% of health funding for sport and physical activity. Presumably, that's sort of a mix of different mechanisms.

We've seen that the government has brought in a tax credit for kids to be involved in sport. That has spurred discussion as to whether enough kids are going to be able to take advantage of it, particularly those kids who are at the lower end of the socio-economic scale. Do you have any numbers that would indicate how many people might be included or excluded from taking advantage of it?

3:10 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Sport Nova Scotia

Jamie Ferguson

We don't have any numbers at this stage of the game.

As I think you know, we've had a program here like that, just about a year old now, with a healthy living tax credit. I think the initial numbers we've had have been positive. At the same time, we have to realize that it only affects those people who are receiving an income at the level where they are paying taxes.

To give you an indication, the program we have, which delivers financial assistance to underprivileged children so that they can participate in sport, has doubled in size over the past year in terms of the money we're allocating to children across the province, the same time as the tax credit has been in effect.

It needs to be a comprehensive approach. I think it's a great idea, a great step or measure, but I think we need to address other things at the same time.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Dan English, is the community energy project the energy project we announced the funding for last year that was cancelled by the election?

3:10 p.m.

Chief Administrative Officer, Halifax Regional Municipality

Dan English

That's correct. Both the provincial and the federal government had announced $20 million each towards that project.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

I recall making that announcement.

Carolyn Earle, that was a great presentation. I have just a quick question.

I have the opportunity to meet with you and your colleagues on a fairly regular basis. You come to visit me and very passionately put forward your arguments.

Does cutting the GST by 1% help those most in need very much?

3:10 p.m.

Co-chair, Face of Poverty Consultation

Carolyn Earle

I really can't answer that question. I don't know.

I've heard people say it would appear in the short term that it does, but when we think that for most people who live on low incomes all their money is spent more or less immediately on consumer goods, that certainly is a factor. If it means reducing the rebate, then it's probably a catch-22, because people are counting on the rebate as well.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

We could discuss that next visit, maybe.

3:10 p.m.

Co-chair, Face of Poverty Consultation

Carolyn Earle

We'll have to look into it.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Thank you, Mr. Savage.

Mr. Paquette, you have five minutes.

3:10 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you for your presentations.

The Canadian Association of Research Libraries and the Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada have both made a recommendation about the indirect costs of research of up to 40%. Several other organizations have referred to this and I have a question.

What is the meaning of "up to" 40%? Do you expect that, for each dollar, it will be close to 40%? If not, is it because indirect costs can vary between the various research fields? If so, what should be the average?

3:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada

Dr. Nick Busing

Thank you for your question.

In our presentation, we've referred to direct costs but, in our previous presentation, we talked about indirect costs. There are four very important components to research, one of them being indirect costs. You know what they are.

Like the Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada and several other organizations, we have analyzed indirect costs and have come up with the figure of 40%. This percentage is the same in other countries. It is not fixed but I can tell you with certainty that, at the present time, the level of 25% or 26% does not cover indirect costs.

3:15 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

At this time, it is 25% to 26%?

3:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada

Dr. Nick Busing

As Mr. Maes told you, the percentage moved from 25% to 26% last fall.

3:15 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

I have a question for Mr. Pye of JD Irving. You've made a recommendation that I have seen in the past in a letter from Domtar or Abitibi-Consol to Gilles Duceppe calling for the extension to the forest products sector of the Renewable Power Production Incentive.

Since there's a crisis in the Quebec forest sector, I'd like you to explain a bit more what extending this incentive would mean in terms of projects.

3:15 p.m.

Vice-President, Administration, J.D. Irving, Ltd.

Riley Pye

There are a number of projects in the paper mills, pulp mills, and sawmills, particularly around energy consumption. Energy is a huge cost in both newsprint and specialty paper production, and in sawmill production.

Some of the projects we're looking at include some sort of cogeneration facility that may use biomass or even bark boilers, and converting current boilers, and so on. We're looking in particular at converting current boilers at sawmills, and at biomass boilers in a number of areas to generate electricity or steam.

There are a number of potential areas where we could convert boilers that today are using bunker oil, bunker C, to biomass generation. These projects have marginal paybacks, but they're certainly things we think we're going to have to do long term, as energy prices continue to improve.

Being able to access this program, which currently is only for new facilities, would allow us to make a significant series of investments in the very short-term future.

3:15 p.m.

Bloc

Pierre Paquette Bloc Joliette, QC

Is this incentive program a form of subsidy or a tax credit?

3:15 p.m.

Vice-President, Administration, J.D. Irving, Ltd.

Riley Pye

This is really through accelerated capital cost allowances, rather than through subsidies or grants. We believe that accelerated capital cost allowances are the appropriate forum for government to participate in capital projects.

This means that only successful companies that have incomes will be able to access the CCA. This means that successful companies and people with long-term, successful track records can access it. That way the government's investment is going to an area where it will get some payback.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

We will continue with Madam Ablonczy now.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Ablonczy Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Several quick questions, I hope.

Mr. Maes, you and several other groups mentioned the need for supporting the indirect costs of research. When federal support for R and D is given, can that money not be spent on indirect costs at this time?